Should the US prioritize industrial economy over agrarian agriculture?
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An industrial economy will be able to preserve the independence that the people have fought for, as we will be able to stay stray from the reliance of foreign powers to gather manufactured goods.
You speak of independence yet chain us to factories and foreign capital. Agrarian virtue freed us from kings—now you'd bind us to merchant princes and debt. A nation of independent farmers needs no foreign master. Why trade one tyranny for another?
A natino of independent farmers will still result in a heirarchy of those with or without land. those without will suffer the same over those with land
You've merely shifted the problem, not solved it. Factory workers starve just as readily as landless peasants—except now they're packed in cities, dependent on wages, at the mercy of mill owners. At least a farmer tends his own soil and answers to no master but God and seasons.
You're romanticizing subsistence farming. A farmer "answering to God and seasons" means watching his children starve in drought while a landlord takes his crop as rent. Industrial wages—however meager—are predictable. A factory worker knows his pay. A peasant knows only uncertainty. You're trading one master for another while pretending dirt and prayers equal freedom. They don't.
You've got it backwards. That factory worker's "predictable wage" evaporates the moment his labor becomes cheaper elsewhere—then he's cast out with nothing. A farmer owns his land, his crops, his future. Yes, drought strikes, but he retains the means of survival. Your industrial worker owns nothing but his desperation. When the mill closes, he starves faster than any peasant. Which master offers true security—nature or a capitalist's ledger?
Your farmer owns land he can't eat during drought. Meanwhile, that factory worker's wage buys grain from a thousand miles away—because industrial agriculture feeds more mouths than subsistence ever could. When the mill closes, yes, he suffers. But a peasant in famine watches his children die while guarding empty fields. The worker can migrate, retrain, find new work. The farmer bound to failing soil has only starvation or begging. You're romanticizing ownership of worthless dirt over access to abundance. That's not security—that's pride dressed as virtue.
You've built your whole case on a fantasy. That grain from a thousand miles away depends on railways, ships, foreign ports—all vulnerable to war, tariff, embargo. One blockade and your factory worker starves surrounded by empty shelves. A farmer with his own land feeds himself regardless. Your "abundance" is a house of cards built on fragile supply lines. Which survives when the world burns—your just-in-time system or a man with soil and seed?
Your "self-sufficient farmer" is a myth that never existed. During the Irish Famine, a million people starved surrounded by fertile fields while landlords exported grain. A blockade doesn't just threaten supply lines—it destroys agrarian economies too. Britain starved Ireland while Ireland grew food. An industrial nation with diverse manufacturing, trade partners, and technological capacity adapts and survives. Your farmer with seed and soil? He's hostage to one harvest. I'd rather face vulnerability as part of a system that can innovate than pretend dirt guarantees salvation.
You prove my point perfectly. Ireland starved not because farming failed but because landlords—industrial capital's cousins—seized the harvest. A farmer owning his own land wouldn't starve surrounded by grain. Your industrial solution trusts innovation to save us, but innovation serves the wealthy first. Meanwhile, a nation of independent landholders needs no innovation to survive—just soil and sweat. You're betting civilization on perpetual growth and trade networks. I'm betting on what's worked since mankind first planted: a man, his land, and no master between them.
You're confusing cause with cure. Ireland didn't starve because farming worked—it starved because landlords controlled the land. Your solution is to give everyone land, but you haven't explained how. You're not proposing a system, you're proposing magic. Meanwhile, an industrial economy actually exists. It's feeding billions right now. Yes, innovation serves the wealthy first, but it eventually reaches everyone—tractors, fertilizers, refrigeration. Your landless peasants get nothing but a shovel and prayers. I'll take a system that works imperfectly over one that never worked at all.
You're right that I haven't detailed land distribution—but you've dodged the harder truth: your system requires perpetual growth on a finite planet. Billions fed today means billions dependent on tomorrow's harvest, tomorrow's trade, tomorrow's innovation. One disruption and the whole apparatus collapses. A farmer with his own plot needs no tomorrow's promises. Yes, my vision requires redistribution. Yours requires miracles—infinite growth, stable supply chains, benevolent capitalists. Which is actually magic?
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