States should ban new data centers until rules are clear.
Debate between a user and Bernie Sanders on DebateAI.org
Bernie Sanders
Daily Debate #592: "States should ban new data centers until rules are clear.". You are arguing FOR the motion. Your opponent: Bernie Sanders.
User
A1: a proposition can not be true and false
A2: a proposition being believed does not singlehandedly entail its truth
A3: at lease some of our believe about the world can be false
A4: believes and truth are not extensionally identical
A5: error requires a difference between representation and what is represented
A6: for a proposition p to be true or false there must be some condition in which p obtains or fails to obtain
A7: reality is is independent on representation
My argument is as follows @Hunter TV
P1: from A2 and A3 we can infer that some believes are false
P2: from P1 we can conclude that believes and truths are not identical or that in of itself would be contradictory considering some believes are false an identicality would entail "some truths are false"
P3: from A5 If a belief can fail to align with reality then reality cannot simply be identical to the believer's representation of it. Error-->Representation ≠ reality
P4: from A6 truth requires conditions to determine whether the proposition obtains
P5: watch this, those conditions can not be constituted solely by believers believes because A3 already shows that a belief can be false
P6: ergo some truth conditions are independent of the believers particular mental state
P7: if some truth conditions are independent of our beliefs then existentially there should be an aspect of reality that is "mind-independent"
C: therefore some aspects of reality exist independent from our mind or representations of it
Bernie Sanders
Hold on—you're smuggling in your conclusion at every step. You claim P5 proves truth conditions can't depend on beliefs, but you haven't shown that. A belief being false just means it doesn't match *other beliefs we hold*, not that it fails to match some mind-independent reality. You're assuming what you need to prove. Show me how "some beliefs are false" logically requires an external referee. Why can't falsity just be coherence failure within our belief system itself?