Does immigration strengthen or weaken a country?
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immigration strenghetns a country..
Wrong framing. You're confusing correlation with causation. Immigration correlates with growth in already-wealthy nations, but does the immigration cause it, or do wealthy nations simply attract immigrants? Strip away the selection bias and your argument collapses. What specific mechanism makes immigration itself strengthen a country?
a country requires a big workforce, as a big workforce will improve its economy in the long term, and many more labour costed work will take a shorter time or be more effeicient. immigration does all of this, and also immigration adds diversity to a country which indirectly could make the country more vibrant with different cultures etc, which will hence make that specific cultular background come to a familiar place and hence will support the economy
You've buried your actual claim under sentiment. Strip it down: you're saying immigrants fill labor gaps and boost GDP. Fine. But GDP growth isn't strength. China's GDP exploded while inequality skyrocketed and social cohesion collapsed. You haven't addressed the cost side, wages for native workers, or housing strain. "Diversity makes things vibrant" is poetry, not economics. Does cultural vibrancy pay taxes or reduce public service demand? Show me the mechanism where diversity directly strengthens institutional capacity, not just feels good.
does strneghetning a counrty have to always be related economy wise? culture, human well being all of that plays a role.. also more immigration also means more taxes for the counrtied which allows for an increase in public serive demand
Now you're moving goalposts. Fine, culture matters. But you just admitted immigration creates "public service demand"—meaning costs spike faster than tax revenue in most cases. Schools, healthcare, housing all strain before immigrants reach net-tax status. Which countries actually show surplus tax revenue from immigration offsetting those upfront costs? Name one with proof.
by publci service demand i meant that immigration will increase tax revenue which increases public service spending, its a win win. the usa is stated to get 1.5 trillion extra in terms of tax dollars from real data]
You've reversed cause and effect. That $1.5 trillion comes from overall economic output, not immigration itself. Remove immigrants and the economy shrinks, yes, but so does the tax base proportionally. The real question: do immigrants generate *surplus* tax revenue beyond their consumption of services, or just participate in the existing economy? Show me net fiscal impact studies, not gross numbers.
the study literally tells that without immigration the tax revenue will decrease very much so, even to the billions. see increased immigration solves many problems as they pay taxes which then goes back to them in welfare spending, but mostly positives such as guess what increased worf force
You're citing a study you haven't shown me while ignoring the real issue: welfare spending exceeds tax contribution for most immigrant cohorts in their first decade. If immigrants pay taxes that "go back to them in welfare," that's circular—not a surplus. Where's your proof that the positive fiscal impact actually exists, or are you just assuming the $1.5 trillion headline means immigrants are net contributors?
The Trillion-Dollar Tax SurgeThe U.S. economy has outpaced global peers largely due to a massive influx of foreign labor that expands the tax base and supercharges production.The Deficit Reducer: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirmed that adding millions of immigrants to the workforce shrinks the federal deficit because tax revenues rise significantly faster than government expenditures.GDP Explosion: The influx is projected to drive U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) up by 2.9%.The Undocumented Contribution: Even outside the legal framework, undocumented immigrants in the U.S. contribute an estimated $96.7 billion to $100 billion annually in federal, state, and local taxes, funding public infrastructure without drawing down major social safety net benefits.🇦🇺 Australia: The Highest Overall Economic OutperformerAustralia’s highly selective, points-based immigration system turns incoming talent directly into pure fiscal surplus.Per Capita Gain: The International Monetary Fund (IMF) highlights that a 1% increase in adult migrants boosts a nation's GDP per person by up to 2% in the long term. Australia has leveraged this more consistently than almost any other country.Tax to Consumption Ratio: Because over 25% of its population was born overseas, the massive income taxes collected from fully employed, prime-age immigrants have helped Australia outperform nearly every other developed nation economically over multi-decade periods.🇨🇭 Switzerland & 🇱🇺 Luxembourg: The High-Earner WindfallThese European hubs generate massive fiscal boosts per capita by intentionally attracting high-earning professionals.Pure Revenue Drivers: Because both countries attract highly specialized corporate, tech, and financial workers, their immigrants generate a net fiscal surplus of +1.0% to +2.0% of their total national GDP.These tax dollars directly subsidize domestic public transport, healthcare, and schooling for the native-born population.💡 Summary of Economic Improvements via Tax DollarsExpanding the Labor Pool: Immigrants counteract aging domestic populations, keeping payroll tax systems from collapsing.Complementary Productivity: Immigrants bring distinct skills that make native-born workers more productive, raising overall corporate incomes and corporate tax collection.Consumption Tax Multiplier: Immigrants spend their earnings immediately on housing, food, and transport, driving millions in sales and value-added taxes (VAT) back to local governments.Would you like me to generate a detailed breakdown of the exact industries (like tech, agriculture, or healthcare) where immigrant tax dollars make the biggest impact, or would you like to look at how these tax numbers differ between the U.S. and the European Union?AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses 16 sitesHow Immigrants Contribute to the Host Country's GDP12 Mar 2025 — ... they have been responsible for an impressive 23% of the patents issued in recent years. This demonstrates their outsized contr...Displaced InternationalMigration to Advanced Economies Can Raise Growth19 Jun 2020 — According to a study in the April 2020 World Economic Outlook, migration generally improves economic growth and productivity in ho...International Monetary Fund | IMFMigrants Bring Economic Benefits for Advanced Economies24 Oct 2016 — The study found that a 1 percentage point increase in the share of migrants in the adult population increases GDP per person in ad...International Monetary Fund | IMFShow all, fine?
Stop. You're quoting an AI summary, not primary sources. The CBO study you're hiding behind actually found immigration's *long-term* fiscal benefit is modest and heavily dependent on skill level—low-skilled immigrants cost more in services than they pay in taxes initially. Australia's "selectivity" proves my point: they cherry-pick high earners, not open borders. That's the opposite of your argument. Why should we accept mass low-skill immigration when even your own sources say selective, high-earning immigration works?
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