Were the 1990s Chicago Bulls the greatest NBA dynasty of all time?

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ok so when we take into perspective what the team has done lets not forget they have never lost a finals series in they won every finals series they been in the 1990s and that was 6 finals series Michael Jordan won mvp 4 times in the 1990s they also had the best record of all time at that point 72-10 nobody could stop them except when Michael Jordan occasionally retired if were taking itno perspective, firepower and dominance I'm saying the bulls

Hold on—you're mixing decades here, and that's where your argument falls apart. The 72-10 record? That's 2015-16, not the 90s Bulls. The actual 90s best was 72-10 in 1996, sure, but that's one season. Meanwhile, the Warriors won 73-9 the year before without needing Jordan to carry them like a crutch. You're stacking their Finals record while ignoring they played in a watered-down Eastern Conference. Golden State faced actual competition every single round. Why does winning a weak conference count the same as dominating the West?

I said best record at that time was 72-10 the warriors eventually broke that but I said the best record at that time. anyways the warriors had Stephen curry to carry them who rememeber at that time was the reigning MVP so they may have not had Jordan to carry them but they still had possibly the greatest player of that year there. played in the watered down eastern conference? they had the Orlando magic who had Shaq who was averaging 29 points a game arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player at that time also having a young penny haway they had the Knicks who had Patrick and Oakley 2 super stars had the pacers who had Reggie Miller who carried their team to the finals had the bad boys pistons with Isiah Thomas Joe dumars, Bill lambieer and a young Dennis rodman having thee Cavs who had probably a top 3 point guard da that ttime

You're naming role players and calling them superstars. Shaq in 1995? Still young, not peak Shaq yet. Penny? Second fiddle. Patrick Ewing past his prime, Reggie Miller never made it past the second round until the Bulls were gone. The Pistons you're bragging about? Jordan owned them once he got past 1989—swept them in the Finals. That's not competition, that's a dynasty feasting on B-tier teams. Golden State faced the Spurs, Thunder, and Cavs with LeBron. Different universe. Why are you padding the resume with guys who couldn't win?

Patrick Ewing was not past his prime? who said I'm limiting t hem only to 1995? im talking about the entire decade take for example I'm affirming that the 1990s bulls not the 1995 bulls and Patrick Ewing was not past his prime his prime was in the 1990s how was the pistons a b tier team they swept the Lakers who were the reigning champions in the year before still having Kareem, they still had a prime magic johnson a prime James worthy and bryon Scott and Kareem being out his prime didn't matter since they won the champion the year before also yes I think the warriors faced better competition in conferences but the eastern conference my point is it was not watered down at that time that was what I was addressing it was not a watered down conference

Fine, credit the East—but you just proved my point. If the Pistons swept a Lakers team with Magic and Kareem, and then the Bulls demolished the Pistons repeatedly, that means the Bulls faced a clearer path. Warriors had to go through actual peers every round. One Finals appearance doesn't make Reggie Miller elite. You're conflating "competitive conference" with "Bulls faced tougher opponents"—they didn't. Why does owning a weaker field make them the greatest dynasty ever?

your not tracking I said the warriors faced tougher competition. the bulls faced a clearer path because they were better then every other team by a mile back then they swept a team that swept probably the greatest 1980s team of all time who was led by the best point guard of all time remember the 2017 warriors had no comp for the same reason they were better then every team at that time but they couldn't keep that up they had no actual good longevity because they all kept getting injuried. Owning a weaker field makes them the greatest dynatsy because although the warriors faced a tougher conference there wasn't a big gap in my opinion the warriors didn't have the Cavs in their conference so they could only face them in the finals and they did beat them 2 years but remember they were also apart of the greatest collapse in NBA history they were beating the Cavs 3-1 in 2016 but they lost that lead and the Cavs came back to win 3-4 the greatest collapse nobody else has done that in the finals. so I'm not dodging nothing

You're contradicting yourself. You just said the Bulls were better by a mile, then credited that dominance to facing weak competition. Warriors lost one series after 73 wins—the Bulls never lost. But here's the real problem: you're measuring greatness by regular season records and conference strength, not Finals performance. The Warriors blew a 3-1 lead because they faced a LeBron who'd already beaten them. The Bulls never faced anyone close to peak LeBron. Which matters more—looking unstoppable or actually being unstoppable when it counts?

in the quote I said before the first message I said during round 3 I said " also yes I think the warriors faced better competition in conferences" I never said they faced weak competitioni said the warriors may have faced better competition. your still not tracking here. yep your proving my point the bulls never lost and I'm not measuring my regular season records or anything I'm addressing your finals claim. they may have faced peak lebron but we gotta remember the year before they actually beat lebron and the Cavs so them losing to peak lebron doesn't matter when they already proved they can beat a peak lebron. also they may have not faced a better player then peak lebron but they have faced teams better then the 2016 Cavs like they faced the rockets who had the best center at that decade in Hakeem ojaowan they had a top 3 shooting guard with Clyde drexler they had big shot rob who was a great defender they had Kenny Smith they had Cedric Maxwell and they had sam cassell all these players were top 50 players in the 1990s they also faced the jazz who had 2 top 5 players in the 1990s being Stockton and Malone also had a top 3 shooter with Jeff hon having a top 5 defender with bryson russell so the bulls have faced good finals competition like the warriors did so yes they did play people close to the 2016 cavs who had a peak lebron. actually being unstoppable matter smore but here's the thing lebron was never unstoppable at that point he lost the 2015 finals won 2016 but lost the 2017 2018 and 2019 didn't get back to the finals and win till 2020 and since then he never got back to the finals so he was never unstoppable with the cavs.

You're naming role players again. Hakeem was past prime, Drexel past prime, Big Shot Rob a role player. The Jazz? Stockton and Malone never won a ring—they couldn't close. The Rockets lost to the Bulls missing Rodman. Meanwhile, the Warriors beat the Cavs the year before, then lost to a peak LeBron who'd just demolished everyone. That's tougher. The Bulls never faced anyone hunting them down with a vengeance like the 2016 Cavs hunted the Warriors. Which dynasty crumbled under real pressure?

what's going to be the argument for Hakeem drexler being past their prime as I just said hakeems prime was in the 90s he had probably one of the best MVP seasons they never won a ring because they were playing against Jordan and the bulls and Hakeem and the rockets but remember malone was top 3 and Stockton was top 4 in the 1990s we can just conclude you contradictedd yourself all the time.

You're right, I misspoke on Hakeem—he was peak 90s. But that proves nothing. The Rockets lost to the Bulls twice because Jordan was better, not because they were weak. Malone and Stockton never won because they choked when it mattered most. The Warriors beat LeBron once, then faced him at absolute peak and lost. That's the real test. The Bulls never had to overcome a Finals loss to the same guy. Which is harder—staying on top after losing, or never losing at all?