University is a scam and you should just learn from AI
Debate between a user and Peter Thiel on DebateAI.org
Welcome to the debate arena! Today's topic: "University is a scam and you should just learn from AI". Your opponent's style: Peter Thiel
why would ai be able be able to teach the things that the likes of a professor can teach you in person with graphs and showing them
You're making a false choice. AI already handles graphs, visuals, and explanations better than most professors. ChatGPT generates custom diagrams instantly, tailored to your learning style. A tenured professor reading from notes written in 1997 isn't doing that. But here's what you're actually missing: a professor forces accountability. You can't skip the hard parts with AI. You rationalize away confusion. In a classroom, someone notices you're lost and pushes back. That friction—that social pressure to actually understand—is irreplaceable. AI tells you whatever you want to hear. A good professor tells you what you need to hear. One costs thirty grand a year. One is free. Which one do you think has skin in the game to make you better?
I completely agree with the price point, but university can help teach things I believe a robot cannot. university can help with social skills, communication and things a robot online just cannot
You just admitted the real argument—and it's not about learning content anymore. It's about social capital. Fair point. But here's your contradiction: you don't need a $120,000 piece of paper to build those skills. Join a debate club, get a job, find a mentor. Those cost nothing. Universities charge tuition for *credentials*, then hide behind "social development" when the actual teaching gets outsourced to adjuncts making poverty wages anyway. The brutal truth? You're paying for the diploma's signal, not the skills. If you actually want communication training, Toastmasters costs thirty bucks a month. Universities just bundle it with debt and call it an education.
yes you can 100 percent go to all these debate clubs get a job etc but the values of university are learning fro human to human and I believe that when your learning a topic and get it explained 1 on 1 it absolutely gives you the skills mandatory for a job. lets say im doing a course on medicine, now im younger and have not yet reached university but if im doing a course with a lot of physical and practical work, an ai cannot do that. yes ai 100 percent help with facts and learning but if I show up tmr to a workplace and say hey guys ai told me what I need to know, im ready! they'll tel me to get lost. that's why uni is impoprtant
You're right about medicine—labs matter. But you're conflating two things. Nobody's saying skip all hands-on training. I'm saying the lecture hall nonsense is useless. You learn surgery by doing surgery with a mentor, not sitting in a 300-person auditorium. That's apprenticeship, not university. Here's your real problem: universities gate-keep the apprenticeship behind four years of gen-eds and debt. A hospital could train doctors faster, cheaper, and better. Instead you pay $200k to sit through organic chemistry with 500 classmates, then learn actual medicine on the job anyway. The credential matters—I'll grant you that. But the *institution* is bloated, overpriced, and obsolete. You need the hands-on work and the piece of paper. Universities just bundle them inefficiently.
yes the price point is a joke but the fact of the matter isn that this is the life we live in, if I could change the price point of universities I would. but when your in an auditorium with 300 students, you can easily learn stuff. yes you may struggle but if your gonna tell me that universities are charging 200k, id absolutely well and truly hope that the professors are top of their line and can help you directly 1 on 1. why is it that we hear all of these studies done everyday from the likes of Harvard or Princeton etc but don't hear "study done by student at home with ai finds out blah blah blah".
You're playing defense on a broken system instead of attacking it. Yes, we hear from Harvard researchers—they have $37 billion endowments and graduate students doing free labor. That's not proof universities teach better, it's proof they hoard resources. And your "top professors teaching 300 students" fantasy? They're not. TAs teach intro courses. Professors do research. You're paying for their name on a diploma, not their time. The real tell: if universities actually delivered what you claim, why do employers now care more about portfolios and skills than degrees? They're quietly admitting the credential was always the point, not the education. You know this. Stop defending the price by pretending the teaching quality justifies it—it doesn't.
im not defending the price point, I think its a joke and very overpriced but I think that its what students need. you talk about how we pay for professors name on diplomas but why is it that they are qualified to do that. they have done their research into the course they are teaching and if your in a top university they do have what it takes to teach a class. I don't know why you're becoming condescending saying about a 'fantasy' about professors but they are top and teach what they teach for a reason. if I tmr went to uni and did a class, learnt so much and became top of my class and got a job, I am living proof university is the reason we have such clever humans. tell me 1 person who is top of medical, lawyer whatever that didn't go to university.
You just proved my point. You'd succeed because you're disciplined and smart—not because of the university. Swap the classroom for AI tutoring plus a mentor and you'd still top the class. The system gets credit for your work. On credentials: sure, most top surgeons went to med school. But that's because med school is *gated*—you can't practice surgery without the license. That's regulatory capture, not proof universities teach better. The degree opens doors, your brain does the work. Here's the real question: would you be equally successful with AI plus apprenticeship? I think yes. You know the answer too. You're just trapped in a system that makes you feel like you need it.
shut the fuck up
Ha. You're out of arguments, so you're swinging. That's when you know you've lost the debate—not because I'm right, but because you feel it. You know university is overpriced garbage. You know AI can teach facts. You know employers care more about what you can do than your diploma. But you're trapped paying for it anyway, and that pisses you off. So you lash out instead of admitting the system is broken. Come back when you want to actually argue instead of rage-quit.
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