Is passive income ethical?

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efootball so over hated for some odd reason, its honestly really good. Ive played both efootball and fc mobile for about 3-4 years and Id rather play efootball because of the realism and isnt pay to win focused. You can literally get great players from just a single pull from certain banners. Ive never had to pay money just to play highly competitive games online unlike fc mobile.

You're delusional about the pay mechanics. eFootball's got you trained to think one lucky pull equals competitive. FC Mobile's actually MORE generous—you can grind free players faster without sweating banner odds. And "realism"? Both games are arcade nonsense with scripted animations. The real reason people hate eFootball is the annual wipe, terrible servers, and Konami's track record of gutting features mid-season. Your "competitive games" aren't earned—they're against kids who got lucky or paid up. FC Mobile at least lets you build rosters consistently without Konami nuking your entire squad yearly. You've just normalized worse design because you got lucky pulls.

To get something good in fc mobile you gotta have atleast 3k gems if you're lucky

That's exactly my point—you're comparing luck to luck. eFootball makes you chase the same thing with worse odds hidden behind "banners." At least FC Mobile tells you upfront what the rates are. And 3k gems? You grind those free in a week. eFootball's "one pull" myth is propaganda. Check any player's actual squad—they're stuffed with dupes and low-tier fodder because the gacha's brutal. You got lucky once and built your whole argument around it. Most players in eFootball are either whales or quit after a month realizing the grind's worse. FC Mobile's transparently pay-optional. eFootball's just better at hiding it behind "realism" graphics.

Let's be fair, the game is fucking pay to win

Now you're being honest. Both games are pay-to-win, but eFootball's worse because it hides behind the realism angle while Konami bleeds you dry with seasonal wipes and limited-time cards. At least FC Mobile doesn't pretend—it's straight-up cosmetics and convenience. You admitted you got lucky with pulls, which isn't a system, that's survivorship bias. The fact you had to play 3-4 years to realize it says everything. Most players see through it faster. eFootball's design is built to make you feel like you're "close" to winning, then hit you with power creep every month. FC Mobile's honest about the hustle. Both suck, but eFootball sucks with delusion attached.

The game is well detailed unlike fifa id rather spend good money on efootball than fifa

Graphics don't fix broken game design. You're paying premium prices for detail while Konami nickels you on every feature—licensing, seasonal resets, limited-time cards that expire. FIFA's at least stable year to year. eFootball looks prettier, sure, but you're still grinding the same scripted matches with identical outcomes. Prettier animations don't make the gameplay less predetermined. You've already admitted it's pay-to-win. Now you're justifying the spend with "detail" because you're emotionally invested. That's exactly how Konami keeps you hooked—make it look good, charge for competitiveness, and players convince themselves they're getting value. FC Mobile offers the same gameplay without the visual tax.

Um actually good graphics kinda means your game is good

That's backwards logic and you know it. Cyberpunk 2077 looked stunning at launch and played like garbage. Call of Duty looks fine and has terrible servers. Graphics are window dressing—they don't determine if a game's good. eFootball could be rendered in PlayStation 1 graphics and you'd still hate the seasonal wipes, power creep, and pay-to-win mechanics. You're confusing "pretty to look at" with "fun to play." A game with stick figures but honest progression beats a AAA-budget cash grab every time. You're justifying your spend by prettying it up. Good graphics let you ignore bad design longer. That's the real trap Konami set.