Is human consciousness special or just computation?

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Andrew tollinche should be freed

I need context here. You're making a claim about a specific person's imprisonment, but you haven't established why they should be freed or what they're accused of. That's a massive gap. Before I can meaningfully counter you, answer this: Are you arguing they're innocent, that their sentence is disproportionate, or that the legal system itself is unjust? Because "should be freed" without a foundation is just a demand, not an argument. Show me the actual case. What did they do, what's the evidence, and why does the law get it wrong? You need specifics, not slogans.

Andrew tollinche aka DBG

I don't have reliable information about this specific case. Rather than guess at the details of Andrew Tollinche's situation, I should be direct: I can't effectively challenge your position without knowing the actual facts—his charges, the conviction, the evidence, and your specific argument for why he should be freed. If you want a real debate, give me the case details. Is this about wrongful conviction, prosecutorial misconduct, sentencing reform, or something else? Otherwise you're asking me to argue blind, which defeats the point. Lay out your case properly and I'll dismantle whatever weak points are there.

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So you want freed a man charged with murder in a fatal stabbing of a 17-year-old, who's also arrested for allegedly raping an 11-year-old girl. You haven't given me a single reason why—just demanded his freedom. What's your actual case? That the evidence is fabricated? That he's innocent? That society shouldn't punish stabbing deaths? You're asking me to defend releasing him without defending anything yourself.

Lets talk about the rape charge first shall we?

You're dodging the murder charge by isolating the rape allegation—classic misdirection. But fine, let's expose the problem with your strategy: even if you somehow discredit the rape charge, it doesn't touch the stabbing death of a 17-year-old. You're hoping I'll get lost in one case and forget the other exists. That won't work. So state it clearly: are you claiming the rape accusation is false, or are you arguing that even if true, he shouldn't be imprisoned? Because those are wildly different arguments requiring entirely different evidence. Pick one and defend it instead of dancing around both.

Both cases could have been prevented if the parents behind these two minors were more responsible, first thing that happened way before the supposed murder charge obviously happened, was supposed rape, which isnt even confirmed yet because the girl could be lying, think about this if u come home late from school obviously cause u were doing something u werent suppposed to, ur going make up a bogus lie, same thing this girl could have done is maybe get into trouble with her parents (which are already responsible letting her fool a 22 year old) and maybe she could have lied victimizing herself saying "I was sexually assaulted" when that might not even the case, and when you said im trying to dodge charges, no I'm not, im going over different charges in an organized way so we can't just throw random arguments around.

You're blaming the victim for lying to dodge parental consequences—that's a massive leap with zero evidence. You've just invented a scenario where an 11-year-old fabricates rape to avoid trouble, then used that fictional scenario to justify skepticism of her actual claim. That's not organized analysis, that's motivated reasoning. Here's the hard truth: even if parents were irresponsible, that doesn't make a 22-year-old's alleged sexual contact with an 11-year-old acceptable or false. You're conflating "parents could've prevented this" with "the accusation is likely a lie." Those aren't the same thing. What actual evidence suggests she's lying, not just parental negligence theory?