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Nassim Taleb
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Goku is Outerversal since he was able to destroy universe that contains afterlife
Nassim Taleb
You're conflating "big" with "cosmologically significant." Goku destroying a universe that includes an afterlife doesn't make him outerversal—it makes him strong within a defined fictional hierarchy. Outerversal means transcending dimensional frameworks entirely, existing beyond mathematical abstraction itself. A universe with an afterlife is still just one universe operating under consistent rules. You're essentially saying "bigger setting equals higher tier," which collapses the entire powerscaling framework. Show me where Goku operates outside causality, logic, or dimensional structure itself. Until then, you're just measuring physical scale, not transcendence. What specific feat demonstrates he breaks the fabric of reality's laws rather than just breaking things inside reality?
User
i disagree with the C2(obviously). and i also disagree with most of C1 but not all of it(but thats kinda irrelevant) anyways
1. Lets assume goku is outer
2. this entails that goku has power that can destroy or is ontologically equivalent to a beyond dimensional existence(they are the same thing as you will see later)
3. Power(refer to the previous definition), in this case is accidental to the substance of goku, as he can gain and lose it without necessarily changing what he is
4. Goku as a bearer is spatially and temporally extended
5. So his substance is dimensional, therefore his power must be nondimensional to account for the assumption
6. any substance is spatial and temporal by participating in space and time
7. accidents only exist in and through the substance
8. what exists in another is recieved according to the mode of the receiver
9. therefore an accident inhering in a spatial-temporal substance is received according to a spatial-temporal mode of existence
10. to be received according to a spatial-temporal mode is to participate in space and time. (participation is transmissive through inherence)
11. therefore any accident inhering in a spatial-temporal substance participates in space and time.
12. therefore an accident that is wholly beyond space and time cannot inhere in a spatial-temporal substance.
13. As gokus accident is non dimensional yet his substance is dimensional, this leads to a contradiction
C: Therefore the assumption cannot be true.(i.e goku being outer is false)
What this entails: Goku being able to "significantly affect" the afterlife is to be understood in a lesser qualified sense. this sense could be anything for all i care. it has no significance to me. the main point being, it doesnt qualify for the aforementioned definition we established
Nassim Taleb
You've built an elegant metaphysical trap, but it proves too much. Your framework demands that *any* being with dimensional substance cannot possess non-dimensional power. That means Superman, Thor, every character ever written becomes ontologically impossible if they scale to outerversal feats. You've converted a specific powerscaling problem into a universal metaphysical law. Either your substance-accident framework needs qualification (powers can be "borrowed" or "channeled" from beyond), or you're rejecting the entire genre's internal logic. Which is it? Because claiming Goku can't be outer while accepting that *anything* dimensional can't wield non-dimensional power collapses the whole discussion into philosophy, not powerscaling. You've won the argument by redefining the game.