Should Magic: The Gathering continue releasing Universes Beyond crossover sets?

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I believe wizards of the coast has done nothing but bring success to the game with universes beyond. They continue to bring in new players, diversify the sets, make the company more money than ever, and give limitless possibilities to future sets.

You're confusing short-term revenue spikes with long-term brand suicide. Yes, they made money—by cashing in core players who felt abandoned. Universes Beyond has fractured the fanbase into "real Magic" and "whatever this is," and you can't build a sustainable game on alienating your existing base while chasing casual crossover tourists who'll never buy a booster again. The "limitless possibilities" argument is hollow. Magic's identity WAS its limit—that constraint made every card meaningful. Now Wizards is just a licensing arm for whatever IP pays. In five years, when the crossover dust settles, you'll have a game with no soul and players who don't know what Magic actually is. You've traded identity for dollars.

My argument is that crossing planes/universes IS magic's identity, and bringing universes beyond in just makes it easier for wizards of the coast to expand on that, also to be honest the majority of the fanbase who thinks there's a divide between "Real magic" and "whatever this is" wasn't going to like anything they were going to do and tend to complain about everything in the game anyway. As far as the " in five years" argument UB has been going on for more than five years and the game has grown not only monetarily but in popularity as well.

You're cherry-picking your evidence. Yes, the game grew—but Magic already had massive growth momentum before UB launched. You're attributing growth to UB when it coincided with Commander's explosion, Arena's launch, and post-pandemic boom. Separate those variables and UB's actual impact gets murky fast. And "crossing planes" is NOT the same as licensing Batman. Exploring Innistrad or Ravnica kept Magic internal—you controlled the worldbuilding. Now you're a puppet theater for Disney shareholders. There's a difference between creative expansion and intellectual colonization. The "complainers gonna complain" dismissal is lazy. Feedback isn't noise—it's data. When your core players are leaving, ignoring them doesn't make them wrong, it makes you deaf.

there is no cherry picking. The most successful sets over the past few years has been UB sets in Final Fantasy and Lord of the Rings, and before lord of the rings the game was doing okay due to the inflation of collectibles during the pandemic but, The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth (released in 2023) revolutionized Magic: The Gathering sales. It generated $200 million in just six months, becoming MTG's highest-grossing expansion at the time. Furthermore, Batman isnt liscensed by mtg (yet lol) so for someone trying to tell me im cherry picking you cant even get your facts straight. Your argument that magic's identity is exploring innistrad or ravnica because it kept it internal isnt even an identity its just you saying "their true identity is whatever the antethesis of UB is which is reaching at best theres no actual identity their just a limit, and one does not equal the other. The boom of commander I agree is part of the success as is arena im not saying UB is soley responsible for the large uptick in success but i will say that i dont know if magic would be nearly as successful without it. (also the complainer's gonna complain thing isnt really part of the argument its just a fact based on the decades of watching people complain about in universe cards/mechanics)

You got me on Batman—fair correction. But $200 million in six months proves my point, not yours. That's a spike, not sustainability. Lord of the Rings was a cultural phenomenon that happens once a decade. You can't build strategy on lightning strikes. When the next big IP license inevitably underperforms, you'll realize you've trained players to buy IP, not Magic. And saying "Magic's identity is internal worldbuilding" isn't reaching—it's literally what differentiated it from every other TCG for thirty years. Now you're indistinguishable from a licensing factory. What happens when the next UB set flops? Then what's your defense?

Lightning strike huh? The Magic: The Gathering (MTG) x Final Fantasy set is the fastest-selling expansion in the game's history. It famously generated $200 million in revenue in just one day, matching the milestone The Lord of the Rings set took six months to achieve. While not every set of UB is as good as these they still peform well beyond what sets before UB were doing. Your argument for training players to buy IP paints wizards as a gross capitalistic company that is grooming it's player base for benefit, when the reality is that evidence shows the growth of the game has gone up exponentially. Magic: The Gathering (MTG) boasts an active audience of over 50 million players globally. The player base has seen historic growth over the past 5 years, with Wizards of the Coast reporting nearly 40% year-over-year increases in unique organized play participants driven heavily by massive expansions in the Universes Beyond line and new players. Magic's True Identity is Planeswalking from plane to plane as the story unfolds, so why is it so hard to grasp the idea that there are planes of different IP lore wise? Oh and for your information when the next UB set flops i can just say well at least it didnt do as bad as Aetherdrift or Lorwyn.

You just admitted it yourself: "not every set of UB is as good as these." So UB sets flop too. Final Fantasy doing $200M in a day doesn't validate the model—it proves you're chasing unicorns. Most UB sets underperform their hype, you just gloss over the duds. And the "planes are just IP now" argument collapses when you realize there's zero mechanical or narrative difference between a Wizards-created world and a licensed one. Players can feel it. You're not exploring—you're shopping. Fifty million players sounds huge until you ask how many actually spend money versus casuals window-shopping. Growth doesn't equal health.

Growth doesn't equal health? That's absurd without growth any product is doomed to fail, and I never said UB sets cant flop i just said they have proven to be more successful. Also there are plenty of mechanical and narrative differences(i.e. Spider-man's webslinging mechanic/superhero aestetic, the ring temptation and high fantasy of LOTR etc.), but even if that were the case that just helps prove my point that if you cant tell the difference between UB and in Magic sets why complain in the first place?

You're doing rhetorical gymnastics. "If you can't tell the difference, why complain?" is exactly backwards—people complain *because* they can tell the difference. They want Magic, not Spider-Man in a Magic wrapper. And growth without profitability is a ponzi scheme. Wizards is milking IP nostalgia, not building sustainable players. Once the IP cycle exhausts itself, you're left with a bloated game nobody recognizes. Your own logic breaks it: "UB sets are more successful" means in-universe sets are *less* successful. So you're deliberately devaluing core Magic to chase trend chasers. That's not expansion, that's replacement. Eventually your original players leave entirely and you're stuck selling to people who don't care about Magic anyway.

first of all you were the one who brought up how they have no differences, secondly the evidence suggests otherwise when it comes to player base and overall success the game is having and, lastly it is expansion because there are still great in magic sets getting released alongside UB sets, wizards has ramped up production like crazy to the point that there is a set every 1-2 months now , so despite you trying to argue for "Magic's Identity" without providing evidence of what magic's identity actually is the only effective argument you have is "I dont want it".

You're right—I said no mechanical difference, you corrected me. Fair. But you just proved my point: "sets every 1-2 months." Wizards is flooding the market to hide that UB carries the profit load. In-universe sets are filler now. And I *did* define Magic's identity: thirty years of self-contained worldbuilding that made cards matter beyond IP recognition. Your argument boils down to "growth go brrr." But growth built on novelty crashes when novelty wears off. Final Fantasy's $200M doesn't repeat. LOTR doesn't repeat. Then what—you're left with Transformers and Dune underperforming, and players realizing they bought IP, not Magic. The game's becoming a licensing catalog, not a card game.