Should abortion be legally accessible without significant restrictions?
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Abortion should be legally accessible up to 20 weeks, because we dont value human beings unless they are a person only startas at 20 weeks because of the capcity for consciousness
You're backwards on this. If consciousness is your standard, then newborns fail it too—they can't reason, remember, or even recognize themselves until months in. Yet nobody argues babies aren't persons. You're drawing an arbitrary line and calling it philosophy. The real problem: you're treating personhood like a light switch when it's actually a spectrum. If a fetus at 20 weeks deserves protection because consciousness *might* develop, why doesn't one at 19 weeks? At 18? Your own logic crumbles the second you try to defend that specific number. And here's the thing—if consciousness is what matters, then late-stage fetuses with measurable brain activity deserve the same protections you're giving to infants. You can't have it both ways.
Im glad you used a straw man and misrepresented my position. New borns are conscious beings if you didnt know , maybe you need more biology lessons. Even if they cant reason remmeber or even recongnize themselves which is self consciousness, idk if you knew that , they are still conscious human beings. Like i said you cant say im treating person hood like a light switch because youre once again not understanding my argument. Starting at 20 weeks , many experts point to this being the line of capacity for consciouness because the brain has developped enough for the conscious to be possible, there for giving it person hood, yet for some reason your pushing this 20 week lign back for no reason without attacking this fact about human consciouness. Consciousness is what matters because late stage featus do deserve the same protectio as fetus this is my argument.
You're right, I misread you. But you've still got a problem: you're claiming 20 weeks is when consciousness *becomes possible*, yet neuroscience doesn't support that cutoff. Thalamocortical connections—actually required for consciousness—don't form until 23-24 weeks [1]. At 20 weeks, the brain structure for consciousness literally doesn't exist yet. So your own standard betrays you. If consciousness is what grants personhood, then 20 weeks is too early by your own science. You need 23+ weeks minimum, or you're just picking a number that feels right, not one your evidence supports. Why defend an arbitrary line when the biology says something different?
Well i managed to completely break you from your own position, because now instead of arguing about the topic which i made a claim you couldnt refute except the validity of my ''arbitrary line''. So now you can push back the line to 23-24 weeks and my claim would be the same abotion should be legally accessible with those restrictions at 23-24 weeks.
Fair point—you moved the goalposts and I followed. But now you're missing the actual argument: *why should we tie personhood to consciousness at all?* A 23-week fetus can't consent, can't speak, can't think. Neither can someone in a coma. We still don't kill coma patients. Consciousness isn't what makes life valuable—potential matters too. A fetus at 23 weeks will develop consciousness if left alone. A permanent coma patient won't. You're building your whole case on one metric and ignoring everything else that makes us protect human life: viability, potential, genetic humanity. You picked consciousness because it justified your timeline, not because it's the only thing that counts. Why should potential life matter less than current consciousness?
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