Is taxation theft?
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Taxation is theft.
You're smuggling a definition, not making an argument. Theft requires taking what isn't yours. But you voluntarily live in a system where taxes fund the infrastructure that made your property valuable in the first place. How is that theft if you benefit from the bargain?
As a United States citizen, if I leave this nation and remove myself from the society that taxes fund, I somehow still must pay taxes, even though they do not benefit me, my family, or my property.
You're conflating two separate obligations. U.S. citizens pay taxes on worldwide income because citizenship itself carries duties, not because you're consuming services. You can renounce citizenship and escape both taxes and allegiance. The fact that exit costs something doesn't make the prior obligation theft, it makes leaving expensive. Why should abandoning citizenship be free?
I am stating that I do not voluntarily live in the system, because I can never leave it, no matter my actions.
You're wrong about the mechanism. You can renounce citizenship and leave. You choose not to because the cost exceeds the benefit, which proves you value membership more than you claim. If it were truly imprisonment, you'd pay that cost. Why haven't you?
Where can I go to that will not tax me whatsoever?
Nowhere exists tax-free, but that's irrelevant. You're shifting from "I can't leave" to "I can't find paradise." Those are different arguments. The question is whether you're genuinely imprisoned or just unwilling to accept tradeoffs. Which is it?
So if nowhere exists that is tax free, taxes are involuntary, no?
No. Involuntary means coerced despite alternatives. You have alternatives, they're just costly. Housing requires rent somewhere. Employment requires taxes somewhere. That's constraint, not theft. Name one system with zero obligations and I'll show you why it collapses.
There are no alternatives because nowhere exists without taxation
You've trapped yourself. If taxes are universal because civilization requires them, you're admitting they fund something necessary, not theft. Theft extracts value. Necessity extracts payment. Which is taxation actually doing?
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