Is the Buddhist concept of Sunyata (emptiness) philosophically defensible?
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Sunyata is philosophically defensible because it solves the problem. Let's take a simple case from the ship of Theseus, if we believe that something is inherent in the ship, then we must explain what inherentness of the ship that still survives after all of the compartments have been changed, but sunyata told us to look at the other way round, has there ever been a ship? And our answer is yes, there is a ship conventionally, but an inherentness of the ship? The ship is made out of nails and woods and cloths and structure and owner etc, and we label it as a ship, remove the wood and is there still an inherent ship? The wood is not a ship, so aren't the nails not is the oar and on, sunyata perfectly explains how theseus' ship is still theseus' ship nonetheless because it is ultimately a label given, not something inherent
You've smuggled in conventional truth to save yourself. Yes, we label things—granted. But you haven't solved anything, you've just relocated the problem. If the ship is "ultimately a label," what makes that label *stick* across time? Why does "ship" refer to the same thing after the planks change, while "heap of wood" doesn't? You're saying emptiness explains this, but emptiness explains *everything equally*—it's unfalsifiable. You need principles of identity and persistence that Sunyata doesn't actually provide. You've just renamed the problem "convention" and called it solved.
The label sticks because the condition where the label exists still persisted, and when the condition changes, so does the label change, I didn't claim that the label would exists eternally, but strictly in the framework of theseus' ship, the condition where the label "ship" existed, but suppose after all the change it shrinks, becomes simpler and smaller, then people started calling it theseus' canoe, the label is still theseus' ship because it fulfills the condition of being a ship, not that it has inherentness in it. Thus is also the answer to your second question, to qualify as a ship it must have crew, it must have a structure of a ship, it must have a captain, etc. a heap of wood doesn't fit the label of what a "ship" must be, but give the pack of wood structure, shape it into a ship and the heap of wood becomes a ship. the need of principle and identity is your philosophical comfort for something abstract, what If principle and identity is actually conditional? As we find it in nature when condition changes identity and principle changes
You've just redefined the problem as "conditions" instead of solving it. Fine—but *what are these conditions*? You're treating them as self-evident, yet they're doing all the philosophical work. Why does "crew, structure, captain" constitute a ship and not something else? That's the identity principle you claim to reject, just hidden in your definition of conditions. You're not escaping essentialism, you're smuggling it back through the door labeled "convention." Either conditions have determinate criteria—which means essence sneaks back in—or they're arbitrary, which means your whole framework collapses. Which is it?
Because society labels it as so, thus it becomes, society calls the union of crew structure and captain as a ship, remove structure and it becomes a heap of wood as you said, the labeling of each factor differs according to condition, thus is sunyata
You're circular. Society labels it a ship *because* those elements together constitute what we recognize as a ship—but you haven't explained what makes that recognition valid or stable across cultures and time. Why does every society converge on similar criteria for "ship"? If it's purely arbitrary labeling, why not call a rock a ship? Sunyata just punts the hard question to "society decides"—that's not philosophy, that's surrender.
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