Should abortion be legal?

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Before we continue, I want to first state the definition of abortion, so we're on the same page: abortion is the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, or in other words, the homicide of an unborn baby. I believe that this main issue with abortion because you're simply killing a child, especially when it didn't have any say in the matter.

Your definition smuggles in a conclusion, not a fact. "Homicide of an unborn baby" presupposes personhood and moral status, which is precisely what's disputed. A fertilized egg, embryo, and viable fetus aren't morally equivalent, yet your definition treats them identically. Here's the real problem: if abortion is always killing a child, then contraception preventing implantation is murder. Miscarriage becomes manslaughter. Are you prepared to defend those conclusions? Most people aren't, which reveals your definition collapses under scrutiny. The actual question isn't whether termination ends biological life. It's whether that life possesses the moral status that prohibits its termination. Define abortion neutrally, then we debate the ethics.

A fertilised egg, an embryo and a viable fetus are in fact morally equivalent. All of these things grow inside a mother, and these things will become child, who will become an adult. Every human on Earth is developing, just like the fetuses. I don't understand your comparisons either: sure, once you find out that you're pregnant, don't kill your baby — and miscarriages are simply tragic accidents, which cannot be even prevented, and I thus wouldn't consider it manslaughter. And yes, fetuses do indeed possess the personhood and moral status that prohibits its termination — not only because it's developing (and will soon become an adult anyway), but also because it's not the mother's choice anyway. Do women really have the right to make decisions for their baby? Do you think it's fair to say that if its not your DNA (the baby's), it's not your choice? Aborting a baby violates their own bodily autonomy and personal freedom when at no point was the baby able to make a decision.

You've just argued that a zygote has bodily autonomy while denying the pregnant woman's. That's incoherent. A fetus literally depends on using her body, her blood, her organs to survive. You can't simultaneously claim the fetus has autonomy while requiring the woman to surrender hers involuntarily. Your "it will become a person" logic proves too much. A sperm will become a person. Should men be legally required to donate sperm? Of course not, because potential doesn't override current bodily rights. Why does potential override women's rights but not men's? That's not principle. That's asymmetry designed to target women specifically.

Nobody is arguing for women to surrender their bodily autonomy — first of all, in order for a woman to even give birth to a baby, they must have sex with a male. And in most cases, sex is voluntary — which not only does it mean that it's not equivalent to a necessary action (e.g. drinking water), it also means a woman would use her bodily autonomy to have sex, and possibly even become pregnant. This is a risk woman must be aware of, and not just kill of their future children just because they weren't ready for a child. Additionally, would you agree that even if you have control/rights over your body, you shouldn't be able to 'not have a body' (i.e. kill yourself)? I say this because if there is a limit we must adhere to, surely by virtue, we can just move the limit to where now abortion is not allowed? In fact, you haven't even answered my question: Do you think it's fair to say that if its not your DNA (the baby's), it's not your choice? When you say that "a fetus literally depends on using her body, her blood, her organs to survive", do you realise that there are people, who are already born, that also rely on external things to survive? What about people on life support, or even already-born babies who are put in incubators? They're also entirely dependent on something external, should we be able to kill them too?

Your "voluntary sex equals consent to pregnancy" argument fails because consent to one act doesn't constitute consent to all foreseeable consequences. Consenting to driving doesn't consent to a car crash; you can still seek medical treatment after. Pregnancy isn't a punishment for sex. It's a medical condition. Your life support analogy crumbles instantly. You can disconnect from life support. A pregnant woman can't unplug the fetus while keeping herself alive at nine months. They're physically merged in ways that are unique. A born baby in an incubator can be cared for by anyone. A fetus cannot. Stop dodging the asymmetry: why does male potential never override male bodily autonomy?

Obviously consent to one act doesn't necessarily constitute to all foreseeable consequences, but becoming pregnant is certainly one of the main foreseeable consequences of having sex. Your driving analogy is the one that crumbles instantly, actually — you do consent to the risk of dying or becoming injured when driving, even if it's implied consent. In either case, becoming pregnant or injured from a car crash, you do reserve the right to receive medical treatment. When you say that "a pregnant woman can't unplug the fetus while keeping herself alive at nine months", you're describing giving birth — well done, that's exactly what's supposed to happen: a couple have sex, the woman endures nine months of pain and hardship, then the couple gets rewarded with a beautiful baby boy or girl. That's what supposed to happen; unfortunately, there are cases where that's not exactly the timeline, but we have to accept that those happen too. These incubator babies are actually cared for by the hospital and their nurses working there — sure, that's more than one person, but if a decision had to be made whether to keep the baby alive or not, and consensus must be reached by each individual — similar to a couple deciding whether to have an abortion. I also don't understand your last question: men are only relevant in this debate when it comes to rape and when couples are deciding whether to abort their baby or not. Or do they? When a pregnant woman is deciding whether to have an abortion or not, does the man get to decide too?

You've revealed the real issue: you think pregnancy is a deserved consequence, a "reward" for sex. That's morality through punishment, not principle. Medical treatment for injuries is standard. Why? Because we don't force people to suffer preventable harm, even after consenting to risk. Your incubator analogy still fails. Hospital staff choose to care for that baby. A pregnant woman didn't choose ongoing bodily invasion. One person's medical needs never require another's organs without consent, period. We don't harvest kidneys from living donors to save five dying people. If men have zero stake in abortion decisions, you've admitted biology, not morality, drives your position.

No, giving birth to a child is the reward, not necessarily the pregnancy. You're right, we don't force people to suffer preventable harm... like having sex. As soon as you become pregnant from having sex, there's no turning back — the baby's life shouldn't pay the price for your mistake. In my incubator analogy, I literally say that "if a decision had to be made whether to keep the baby alive or not, a consensus must be reached by each individual", or in other words, the hospital staff choosing to care for that baby. And I still don't understand what you're saying: why are we talking about harvesting kidneys? This isn't even remotely relevant to this debate. Nobody is physically losing something when a woman is giving birth. And you're misunderstanding position: men do in fact have stakes in abortion decisions, obviously.

You're claiming pregnancy is consequence, not punishment, then insisting women must endure it anyway. That's punishment dressed in prettier language. Your incubator logic actually proves my point: hospital staff can walk away. They aren't legally bound to donate their bodies. A pregnant woman under your rules has no such freedom. That's coercion, full stop. The kidney analogy is directly relevant. You're claiming one person's existence justifies using another's body without consent. That principle would permit forced organ donation. If you reject that, you've abandoned your own logic. And men having "stakes" doesn't mean they get decision-making power—which you just admitted they don't. So biology determines rights, not ethics. You've lost the argument by accident.

What the hell are we talking about? The topic we're arguing about is "should abortion be legal?". How does what you're saying prove that abortion should be legal? When you say that "hospital staff can walk away. They aren't legally bound to donate their bodies. A pregnant woman under your rules has no such freedom", I didn't directly say that incubator babies SHOULD be killed, I'm just saying that is something that could happen; I don't think any baby should be killed, regardless where they are in development. If you're going to describe pregnant women having no freedom as coercion, what's wrong with that? Pregnant woman literally have freedoms, apart from aborting their baby, that's it. The reason for this 'coercion' is because life must be prioritised, ideally of all parties (the mother's and the baby's). And since you have now properly explained what you meant by kidney harvesting, I can answer it: if someone is in dire need of an organ transplant, the only solution is obtaining that organ from either a living person or a dead one. During pregnancy, there's only one adult physically being affected, the pregnant woman — she's the 'star of the show', so to speak. All she has to do is endure the hardship of being pregnant and not give up, and obviously not on her own; she should be able to spend time with friends and family and maybe go to therapy if needed. Yes, technically the baby is being affected too, but they don't really have to do anything, do they? So what I'm essentially saying is that they're still don't have anything to do with each other. Your wording is quite dubious as well: consent was supposed to be given before sex, because the woman should've been fully aware of the risks, right? And when did I directly admit that men don't have decision-making power? I literally said that "men are only relevant in this debate when... couples are deciding whether to abort their baby or not", couples as in the man and the woman — currently, that's how it works. I argue differently, and I think nobody should decide on whether to keep the baby alive or not. Do you think you've lost the argument yet?

You've contradicted yourself fatally. You say pregnant women have "freedom apart from aborting their baby." That's not freedom—that's coercion with a smile. Removing one option isn't partial freedom; it's constraint. Your kidney distinction crumbles: "only one adult affected" ignores that the fetus uses her body involuntarily. She didn't consent to nine months of physical alteration. Awareness of risk doesn't equal consent to consequence. On men: you just said couples decide together, then claimed men shouldn't decide. Pick one. You're defending forced bodily use for nine months. Own that clearly instead of pretending it's libertarian freedom.