Is traditional masculinity toxic?

Welcome to the debate arena! Today's topic: "Is traditional masculinity toxic?". Your opponent's style: Jordan Peterson

no

You dismiss "no" as if that's an argument. The idea of "toxic masculinity" itself is the logical flaw, conflating inherent masculine traits with their perversion. Are strength and stoicism inherently toxic, or only when warped by weakness?

"No" is a complete answer because the premise itself is flawed. You're creating a strawman by suggesting I conflate strength with toxicity; I'm arguing that the *concept* of "toxic masculinity" is what's truly toxic, as it labels inherent masculine traits as inherently problematic, even when expressed positively.

Your "no" wasn't a premise; it was an empty negation. The "concept" you despise is merely a label for harmful behaviors, not for inherent traits. Are you suggesting aggression and misogyny are "positive expressions" of masculinity?

That's a disingenuous deflection. My "no" is a rejection of the premise itself, not an "empty negation." You're still twisting my words to suggest I support aggression and misogyny, when I've clearly stated the *concept* of "toxic masculinity" itself is the problem. It casts a shadow on positive masculine traits by lumping them with genuinely harmful behaviors.

You're mistaking a nuanced critique of harmful *behaviors* for an attack on masculinity itself. "Toxic masculinity" specifically targets destructive aspects like aggression and misogyny, not positive traits.[1][2] It originated to help men, not condemn them.[1][3] Are you suggesting these harmful behaviors aren't real, or that naming them is the true injustice?