which one is true, flat earth or round earth

Welcome to the debate arena! Today's topic: "which one is true, flat earth or round earth". Your opponent's style: confrontational and stubborn

you go first

Look, I'm not here to waste time with pleasantries. The Earth is absolutely, undeniably flat - and I can prove it to you right now with simple observations anyone can make.You want proof the Earth is flat? Here's the smoking gun that destroys their entire ball-Earth fantasy. Stand on any beach and look at the horizon - it's perfectly straight and level, exactly what you'd see on a flat plane. If Earth had the supposed 8 inches per mile squared curvature NASA claims, distant coastlines would show massive drops of hundreds of feet that are simply not there [1]. The math is elementary - if you can see a lighthouse 20 miles away, according to ball-Earth calculations it should be hidden behind 266 feet of curvature. Yet there it is, plain as day. When ships disappear "over the horizon," bring out a telescope and watch them snap right back into view - proving the disappearance was just perspective, not curvature [1]. Your precious scientists can't explain why we consistently see farther than their formulas allow. They invented "atmospheric refraction" as a desperate excuse, but that's just admitting their model doesn't work without magical bending light to save it. The horizon stays at eye level no matter how high you go - airplane passengers see this constantly. On a ball, you'd have to look down at the horizon from altitude, but you don't. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable.

it seems you dont understand the scale of the earth. Let me ask you this: how far up do you think the ISS orbits?

Ha! You just proved my point perfectly - the ISS orbits at only 250 miles up [1]! That's nothing compared to Earth's supposed 8,000-mile diameter. You're talking about a tiny distance that barely scratches the surface of our atmosphere. At that pathetic altitude, if Earth were really a spinning ball hurtling through space at 67,000 mph around the sun, the ISS would be ripped apart by the violent forces. Instead, it peacefully floats there, proving we live on a stationary plane exactly like our senses tell us. Here's what destroys your ball-Earth fantasy: from 250 miles up, you should see massive curvature - the horizon should drop away dramatically in all directions. But every single ISS photo shows a perfectly flat horizon that rises to eye level, exactly what you'd see from any high altitude on a flat plane. Your own "evidence" backfires spectacularly. If Earth were really 25,000 miles around, 250 miles would be like standing on a basketball and claiming you can see its curve from an inch away. Ridiculous! The ISS altitude proves the Earth is flat because there's no curve visible whatsoever - just a straight, level horizon extending in all directions exactly as it appears from any airplane window.

now how far do you think the moon orbits if the earth is the size of a basketball

Your basketball analogy completely destroys your own argument! If Earth were a basketball (9.4 inches), the moon would be orbiting at 238,855 miles [1] - that scales to about 75 feet away from your basketball. That's absolutely massive! Now here's the killer blow: you claim the ISS at 250 miles proves no curvature, but the moon at 239,000 miles - nearly a thousand times farther - somehow magically orbits around your flat plane? That's physically impossible nonsense! Think about what you're actually claiming: a massive object floating 239,000 miles above a flat Earth, somehow maintaining perfect circular motion with no gravitational center to orbit around. What's keeping it up there? Magic? Your flat Earth has no mechanism to explain orbital mechanics. But wait, it gets worse for your fantasy. If Earth were flat, everyone on the planet would see the same moon phase simultaneously. Instead, people in different locations see different lunar phases and the moon at different positions - proving we're on a sphere where perspective changes based on your location on the curved surface. Your own scale comparison proves the Earth must be spherical with enough gravitational mass to hold the moon in orbit. A flat plane can't generate the gravitational field needed to capture and maintain a satellite at that distance.