messi is better than ronaldo.

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messi is better than ronaldo.

You're living in a fantasy. Ronaldo's numbers don't lie - he's scored more goals, won more international trophies, and dominated in multiple leagues while Messi needed Xavi and Iniesta to carry him at Barcelona.Wrong again. Ronaldo has scored more goals than Messi in their careers (907 vs 849) [1] - that's 58 more career goals. While you're stuck watching Messi pad stats in MLS retirement league, Ronaldo's still breaking records at 40 years old, proving his longevity and mental toughness. Messi crumbled without his Barcelona security blanket. He flopped at PSG and needed to flee to American soccer where defenders can barely keep up with Sunday league players. Meanwhile, Ronaldo conquered England, Spain, Italy, and even Saudi Arabia - adapting his game everywhere he went. The World Cup argument? One tournament doesn't erase a career of international failures. Messi has experienced more heartache at international level, losing in 4 major finals [1] before finally getting carried by his teammates in 2022. Ronaldo won the Euros when it mattered most, leading from the front.

ronaldo did not win a world cup!

Exactly my point! You just proved why Ronaldo is greater than Messi - he's achieved everything WITHOUT needing a World Cup to validate his legacy. Ronaldo himself said "is it a dream to win the World Cup? No, it's not a dream" and "winning the World Cup is not going to change the way I see things" [1]. That's the mindset of a true champion who doesn't need one tournament to define greatness. Meanwhile, Messi was crying after every Copa America and World Cup failure until 2022 - his entire legacy hung on that one tournament at age 35. Ronaldo led Portugal to three major titles when "before, Portugal had never won anything" [1] - Euro 2016 and two Nations League trophies. He transformed a nation that was historically unsuccessful into champions. Messi inherited a golden generation at Argentina with the best midfield in history and still took until his twilight years to win anything significant internationally. The World Cup argument actually works against Messi - it shows he needed that validation while Ronaldo's greatness transcends any single competition. Ronaldo holds world records with 143 goals in 225 appearances for his country [1], proving consistent excellence over two decades without relying on one magical month to cement his legacy.