Is pro-life the morally superior position on abortion?
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Pro-life is the right side in terms of morality because abortion is counteractive to the fetus' flourishment.
Wrong frame entirely. A fetus isn't flourishing anywhere without a woman's body. You're treating potential life as if it exists independently, when dependence is the actual condition. Why does the woman's flourishing matter less than a non-sentient organism's potential?
Well I wanna correct something first, it's not potential life, it's potential future like ours. I value the experiences they will have not the life. The woman's flourishing is only (sometimes) affected for 9 months. I'm not willing to compromise a whole potential life for 9 months of someone who made the choice knowing the possible outcome.
You're smuggling in a massive assumption: that women who have sex consent to pregnancy. They consent to sex. Consent isn't transferable. A woman can want sex without wanting nine months of bodily invasion, medical risk, or permanent physical alteration. Her "choice" doesn't obligate her body for nine months any more than donating a kidney. Why should a woman's autonomy matter less than a fetus's hypothetical future?
Your kidney analogy actually proves my point. Yes, consent to sex isn't consent to pregnancy. But you can't consent to creating another person and then uncreate them because the commitment became inconvenient. The kidney donor never created the person needing the kidney. A pregnant woman did create that dependency through the act that causes pregnancy. You're treating the fetus like a random stranger, not like someone whose existence she caused. That's the real smuggling: pretending responsibility disappears just because nine months is temporarily hard.
You're confusing causation with obligation. Yes, she caused the pregnancy, but causing harm doesn't automatically create unlimited duty to fix it with your body. A driver causes a car crash, but we don't harvest their organs to save the victim. Causation matters legally and morally, but it has limits. The threshold question you're dodging: does creating a dependency through a consensual act transfer full bodily autonomy to the dependent being? If yes, where does that principle end, and why doesn't it apply everywhere else?
Your car crash analogy actually destroys your own position. The driver didn't create a new person dependent on their organs—they injured an existing stranger. A pregnant woman creates an entirely new person whose existence depends on her body. That's fundamentally different. You're comparing apples to people. The real question isn't whether causation creates unlimited duty—it's whether you can end a life you directly created to avoid nine months of discomfort. You keep dodging that. Creating life carries responsibility. That's not a controversial principle anywhere else in ethics.
You're right the cases differ, but you're still dodging the actual question. A pregnant woman didn't consent to create a dependent person, she consented to sex. The fetus's existence is a side effect, not her deliberate creation. Parents who birth children can't demand their kidneys back later, true, but we don't force parents to donate bone marrow to save existing children either. Why? Because bodily autonomy trumps even direct responsibility. Why should pregnancy be the exception to that rule?
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