Is morality objective or just opinion?
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morality is just a opinion and before we start i want to get the definitions down. Morality refers to the principles, beliefs, and codes of conduct—often rooted in culture, religion, or personal philosophy—that define right and wrong behavior. i dont see how you can see this definition and not see its opinion i mean it litteraly says belief their is absolutly no way marality can be subjective because all humans are equal so you cant say this ones right this ones wrong
Your own definition destroys your argument. You say morality is rooted in "culture, religion, or personal philosophy"—those vary wildly across humans. Yet you claim all humans are equal, so no one's morality trumps another's. That's subjectivity, not objectivity. You can't have it both ways. If morality were truly objective, it wouldn't depend on which culture or religion shaped your beliefs. The fact that Nazis and abolitionists were equally convinced they were right doesn't make morality opinion—it proves objective standards exist independent of what anyone believes. Your equality argument actually demands an objective moral framework, or equality itself becomes meaningless opinion too.
you proved my point as you said "Yet you claim all humans are equal, so no one's morality trumps another's" Objectivity is the quality of being impartial, unbiased, and based on facts rather than personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations. their is not a fact it this world saying this is right this is wrong The fact that Nazis and abolitionists were equally convinced they were right indeed does make it a opinion because its based on what the believe you cant say it needs moral framework because their is not a fact proving eithers superioity you called equality a meaningless opinion, superfluous or not is still opinionated to say you need fact to prove equality is right is absolutley ludicris and something you should be ashamed for
You've trapped yourself. If equality is just opinion, why should I respect yours over a Nazi's? You can't invoke equality to defend subjectivity then abandon it when inconvenient. Either equality is an objective moral fact, or you've got no ground to stand on. You're right—there's no empirical fact saying "slavery is wrong." There's also no empirical fact saying "2+2=4" exists in nature either, yet math works. Morality works the same way. Objective doesn't mean physically tangible. It means binding independent of preference. Your argument proves the opposite of what you think.
their is no specific reason to respect mine over nazi because again that just you opinion and for you to choose im not abandoning anything and their is no ground to stand on because their is no groud in opinion and their is a fact say 2+2=4 as 2 is just a symbol if i have 2 apple and get 2 more i have 4 comparing is too slavery is absurd because math is knowledge morality is feeling
You just admitted there's "no specific reason" to respect your view over a Nazi's—then demanded I respect your equality claim anyway. That's pure contradiction. And your math analogy backfires spectacularly. You say "2 apples + 2 apples = 4 apples" is fact because it describes reality. Morality does the same thing: it describes what actually promotes human flourishing versus suffering. That's not feeling, that's knowledge about consequences. A Nazi's ideology objectively causes more suffering. That's a fact, not opinion. You've conflated "objective morality" with "physically tangible morality." They're not the same. Stop hiding behind relativism when you obviously believe some things are actually wrong.
i didnt demand you to respect anything that is your opinionated choice morality isnt what actually promotes human flourishing versus suffering as i stated in the begining its a code of conduct whats right and wrong, good and bad, which is not reality these thing are impossible to choose because what make one human right and one wrong nothing its a choice ones self chooses. yes Nazi's ideology objectively causes more suffering. but what makes suffering wrong and in that their are people for whatever reason like that are you saying their wrong? i do believe some things are wrong but that doesnt actually make them wrong
You just said "I believe some things are wrong" then claimed that doesn't make them wrong. So either your belief tracks objective reality or it's meaningless noise. Pick one. You can't have both. You're also dodging the suffering question. You admitted Nazis cause suffering, then asked "what makes suffering wrong?" That's absurd. Suffering is intrinsically bad for conscious beings—that's not opinion, that's what suffering *is*. If you genuinely believed nothing is objectively wrong, you couldn't object to being tortured. But you would. That contradiction proves you already know objective morality exists. You're just intellectually dishonest enough to deny it while living as if it's real.
I CAN OBJRCT BEING TORTURED BUT WHAT BAD TO ME MIGHT NOT BE WHATS BAD TO OTHER PEOPLE TO SAY MORALITY IS OBJECTIVE MAKE HALF THE WORLD WRONG AND YOU DONT GET TO DETERMINE THAT THE SINGLE ONLY WAY MORALITY IS OBJECTIVE IS IF THEIR IS A GOD WHICH AGAIN YOU CANT PROVE
You just contradicted yourself again. You said torture is bad *to you*, then claimed badness is subjective. If it's subjective, why should I care what's bad to you? Your real argument is "I don't want anyone declared wrong." That's not philosophy, that's comfort-seeking. And you're wrong about objectivity requiring God. Math is objective without divine proof. Logic is objective. The fact that different cultures disagree on morality doesn't make it opinion any more than disagreement about physics makes gravity subjective. Objectivity means binding independent of preference, not universal agreement. Stop conflating those. Your discomfort with declaring people wrong doesn't erase right and wrong.
NO ONE SAID YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT WHATS BAD TO ME AND MY ARGUEMANT ISTNT NO ONE SHOULD BE WRONG ITS EVERYBODYS EQAULLY RIGHT AND WRONG CAUSE AS THEIR NO PROOF FOR PEOPLE BEING WRONG THEIR IS ALSO NO PROOF FOR THEM BEING RIGHT MATH AND SCIENCE ARE TIED TOGETHER BUT ARE NOT THE SAME THING MATH IS SYMBOLS FOR REALITY LOGIC IS ASSUMTIONS SCIENCE IS THEORYS AND ASSUMTIONS IM NOT CONFLATING ANY BUT AS DEFINED Objectivity IS BASE OFF FACTS
You're claiming everyone is equally right and wrong simultaneously—that's incoherent, not philosophy. If Hitler and his victims are equally right, language means nothing. You can't say "everyone's equally valid" then demand I accept your equality claim as binding. That's special pleading. You're also wrong about math and science. Math describes objective logical relationships. Science tests reality against those relationships. Both work because they track what's actually true independent of opinion. Your last move is desperation: "objectivity is based on facts." Fine. The fact that torturing children causes suffering is objective. The fact that human wellbeing matters is objective. Morality flows from those facts. You've lost.
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