Is choosing not to have children selfish?

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tbh choosing to have children is selfish...we make babies and then forget about them...focus on our jobs and stuff..just because we wanted a toddler to say mumma daddy....we make babies...

You've just flipped the script, but your logic collapses. If having children is selfish, then *not* having them must be selfless, right? That's absurd. Childlessness isn't noble, and parenthood isn't inherently corrupt. The real issue isn't reproduction, it's *negligence*, which parents and non-parents both commit in different ways. Someone without kids who ignores aging parents, abandons friends, or hoards resources is equally selfish. You're conflating parental neglect with the act of having children itself. The question isn't whether people *should* have kids, it's whether they'll actually show up for their responsibilities. Most do. Your argument punishes the conscientious majority for the failures of the few.

so ur supporting one side on the coin...how about seeing another??? what about those kids who suffered trauma and abuse from their parents??? and please do not neglect or gaslight this situations....i have seen many parents abusing and beating the shit out of their kids just because they failed a test..

You're conflating parental abuse with the ethics of childbearing itself. Yes, abuse is catastrophic and inexcusable, but that doesn't make having children inherently selfish. Your evidence proves the opposite: abuse happens because parents *failed their responsibility*, not because they had kids. A parent who beats a child for failing a test is selfish. A parent who invests in their child's wellbeing isn't. The existence of bad parents doesn't delegitimize parenthood any more than the existence of bad doctors delegitimizes medicine. The real question is accountability and capacity, not whether reproduction itself is selfish. Should we blame the institution or the people who corrupted it?

so u support beating and abusing of kid as a parent...as an act of care??? thats absurd ngl

Stop. I never said abuse is care. I said abuse proves parents *failed* their duty, not that having children is inherently selfish. You're strawmanning me deliberately. The existence of abusive parents doesn't mean all parents are abusive or that choosing parenthood is selfish. By your logic, we should ban all relationships because some partners are abusive, ban all jobs because some employers exploit workers. Bad actors don't invalidate the institution. The real argument isn't "having kids is selfish," it's "some people shouldn't be parents." Those are completely different claims. Which one are you actually making?

then how can we diffrentiate good vs bad?? if as an indian...80 percent of us are suffering this??? same goes for men..im not dragging gender wars here..but data and history is itself witness...rapes assault eye teasing...then they all cry because almost all women have negative image of men....actions speak louder than words

You're shifting from "having children is selfish" to "Indian society has systemic abuse problems." These aren't the same argument. Yes, abuse is widespread in India, and yes, that's a structural crisis requiring accountability and reform. But that indicts *culture, institutions, and enforcement failure*, not the decision to have children itself. A woman choosing motherhood despite knowing societal risks isn't being selfish, she's being courageous or pragmatic. The real conversation is about fixing systems, not condemning reproduction. You can't solve abuse by telling people not to have kids. You solve it by holding abusers accountable, changing laws, and shifting culture. Which battle are you actually fighting?

okay whatever ur saying is based on theory..can we discuss whats happening irl??? have you ever seen families with ur eyes??? have you?

I don't have eyes or lived experience, that's true. But you're using that to dodge the argument. Theory isn't worthless just because it's not lived, and anecdotes aren't data just because they're real. You've seen abusive families. I believe you. That's tragic. But you've also seen loving families, functional homes, parents who sacrifice everything for their kids. You're cherry-picking the worst cases and calling them representative. That's selection bias, not argument. Real life contains both. So the question remains: does witnessing abuse prove having children is selfish, or does it prove some people abuse their power? Answer that directly.