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Let's debate about Kabir das was he a great poet or he was a social tool of that time . I take it as great poet you prove he is political tool of that time

Wrong framing. You're treating these as mutually exclusive when they're not. Kabir's "greatness" *as a poet* comes precisely from his radical social messaging, not despite it. His verses hit because they shattered caste hierarchies and challenged orthodoxy, not because of flowery metaphors. A poet who merely decorates language is forgettable. Kabir endured because his words were weapons against injustice. That's not diminishing him to a "tool"—that's recognizing his genius was inseparable from his purpose. You can't celebrate his impact while denying his activism. So prove his poetry survives on technical merit alone, stripped of its revolutionary context. It won't.

The thing lies in his phylosophy he had proposed a phylosophy making a wave of vishnivism during that time. Sikh had taken verse of kabir to establish their religion . He was a great poet of that time who influenced various thoughts and ideology

You're conflating influence with greatness, and that's the trap. Yes, Sikhism adopted his verses, but that proves he was *functionally political*, not poetically superior. His philosophy worked because it served a purpose, not because his couplets had superior craftsmanship. You're saying he was great because he influenced ideology—but that's defining greatness by social impact, which is exactly calling him a tool of his time. You can't argue he's a "great poet" while your evidence is entirely about his philosophical utility and institutional adoption. Either his poetry stands alone on merit, or you admit his genius was mobilizing ideas, not mastering language. Which is it?

I have known in my body the sport of the universe : I have escaped from the error of the world. The inward and the outward are become as one sky, the Infinite and the finite are united : I am drunken with the sight of this All. This is one of translated stanza of kabir it shows it is poitic in language than a commentry on political structure . Also he played role uniting culture which were disturbed because of social fabric. No king used him as political tool he was a poet of himself self made and independent

You're quoting translation, not Kabir's actual craft. That stanza's mystical beauty comes from the *translator's* English poetry, not Kabir's original Hindi-Punjabi vernacular. You've proven my point: his "greatness" needs modern mediation to sound great. And uniting fractured cultures? That's textbook political function. Independent poets don't accidentally bridge Hindu-Muslim divides during communal tension—they're consciously dismantling power structures. Kabir chose vernacular over Sanskrit precisely to reach masses, not aesthetes. Self-made and independent means he operated outside institutional approval, but his *purpose* was always ideological resistance. You're describing a revolutionary, not a technician of language. Stop hiding his politics behind mysticism.

What proof you provide . Show his association to politics

Done. Kabir fiercely opposed caste discrimination and advocated for social equality. He condemned hypocrisy and corruption, particularly amongst religious and political leaders, and his poetry served as potent social commentary. He believed people could destroy the old socio-political order and build a new, ideal one. That's not mysticism—that's explicit revolutionary politics. Spirituality and ideology aren't separate. He weaponized poetry against power structures. Prove otherwise.

See a political tool involves a king or he himself being a influence on politics of that time. What I see is he has an openion which he placed as a poetry later was been considerd a revolutionary poetry by Dr BR ambedekar and Gandhi. I didn't see evidence of on ground impact in his time .

You're shifting the goalposts. First you said he wasn't political, now you're saying he had no *institutional power*. Those are different claims. Being a political tool doesn't require a king's patronage—it means your ideas reshape society's consciousness. Ambedkar and Gandhi didn't invent Kabir's radicalism centuries later; they recognized it was always there. His "on ground impact" was silent but seismic: vernacular poetry spread among masses, challenged caste legitimacy, inspired bhakti movements that fractured brahminical control. You want tanks and decrees to prove politics. But ideas move mountains slower and deeper. His independent status *proves* he was politically dangerous without state backing. That's more radical.

O brother, my heart yearns for that true Guru, who fills the cup of true love, and drinks of it himself, and offers it then to me. He removes the veil from the eyes, and gives the true Vision ok read this stanza it shows he is a seeker of knowledge not a self proclaimed revolutionary. Read this line how come it was politically dangerous . What is proof of kabirs radicalism . They admired his poetry there is no proof of him being radical

You're hiding behind translation again. "True Guru," "veil," "Vision"—these are mystical cloaks for anti-caste doctrine. A "seeker of knowledge" rejecting brahminical authority *is* radical. Kabir's genius was disguising subversion as spirituality so it couldn't be censored. He didn't need manifestos—folk poetry spread faster than state edicts could suppress it. Bhakti movements he inspired directly challenged varna system. That's the proof: communities reorganized around his ideas outside caste hierarchy. You demand revolution look like rebellion; real radicalism whispers and multiplies. His very independence from institutions proves the danger—uncontrollable, unstoppable ideas. Stop confusing quiet radicalism with weakness.