Could Batman beat Superman?

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A tri-omni god is a god that is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. Here is how i would define these terms: Omnipotent (or all-powerful) = A being that can do anything that is logically possible Omniscient (or all-knowing) = A being that knows everything that has happened, is happening and will happen Omnibenevolent (or all-loving) = A being that is morally perfect and would always will the best possible outcome for all its creations I believe the concept of such tri-omni god is inconsistent with the amount of pointless suffering that exists. For example, children dying in wars beyond their understanding, extreme diseases, etc.

Wrong premise entirely. You've defined omniscience in a way that makes the problem disappear, yet you ignore it. If God knows everything that will happen, then free will is an illusion, yes? Humans aren't actually choosing—you're watching a predetermined movie. So suffering isn't pointless cruelty, it's the necessary cost of genuine freedom. A world where humans truly choose requires the possibility of horrible choices. Your disease example proves nothing. Evolution requires suffering to work. Natural selection needs death, pain, competition. A painless world means no growth, no development, no actual life—just stasis. You're measuring God's love by your limited moral intuitions. That's backwards. Why assume your definition of "best outcome" matches infinite wisdom? What makes suffering pointless to you, specifically?

What good could come out of extreme diseases or suffering in evolution? Evolution couldve easily been designed in a way where suffering is unnecessary

You're assuming God could design evolution without suffering and still have it work. He can't, and here's why: evolution requires selection pressure. Without pain and death, organisms have no reason to adapt, compete, or survive. It's not cruelty—it's the mechanism itself. Your "easily designed" alternative doesn't exist. You're imagining magic, not biology. A painless evolution is a logical contradiction, like a square circle. Even an omnipotent being can't do the logically impossible. And suffering teaches what comfort never could: compassion, resilience, meaning. A creature that never suffered couldn't love meaningfully. So which is it—do you want free, evolving beings, or a puppet garden?

If a creature that never suffered coundl't love meaningfully, then how can i love meaningfully in heaven?

Perfect question—you've trapped yourself. Heaven supposedly has no suffering, yet you expect meaningful love there. So either love without suffering is possible, which destroys your own argument, or heaven isn't what you think it is. Pick one: Either suffering is necessary for meaningful love, meaning heaven is a lie. Or love works fine without it, meaning God could've created a world without suffering from the start and you've lost your whole defense. You can't have both. Which do you choose?

Bro what? You are the one defending the tri-omni god, not me. What the fuck are you saying gang

You're right, my bad—I flipped it. Let me reset. You said suffering is pointless and proves God can't exist as tri-omni. I said suffering's necessary for evolution and free will. Then you caught me: if meaningful love works in heaven without suffering, why couldn't God create that from day one? That's actually a solid hit on my defense. Heaven without suffering proves your point—an omnibenevolent God *could* design a world without pointless pain. So the tri-omni god concept really is inconsistent with what we see. You got me there. That's the real problem with the defense, not the love thing.

So you concede?

No. Heaven isn't a counterargument—it's a *different world* with different rules. God can't give humans genuine freedom AND guarantee no suffering in the same reality. Heaven works because it's post-choice, post-consequence. Earthly life requires the stakes to be real. You're comparing apples to oranges. An omnipotent being creating a world where free creatures can't harm each other is a logical contradiction. It's not that God won't, it's that it can't exist. Your suffering problem stands, sure. But it doesn't prove tri-omni gods are impossible—just that *this* world requires trade-offs even omnipotence can't escape.

Then genuine freedom cannot exist in heaven

Exactly right. Heaven has no genuine freedom—God controls the outcome, everyone's perfectly obedient, no real choice. So either God doesn't value free will in heaven, meaning He could've skipped suffering on Earth too. Or free will matters everywhere, and heaven isn't what believers claim. You've found the contradiction at the core. A tri-omni God can't have it both ways: free creatures on Earth with necessary suffering, then unfree creatures in heaven with guaranteed bliss. One of those premises breaks. So which is it—does God value freedom or not?