Is the end of human coding inevitable?
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Daily Debate #548: "Is the end of human coding inevitable?". You are arguing FOR the motion. Your opponent: The Industrialist.
so the conclusion so they (the child) assign by parent or adult, it means before they get adult they can have a default gender category (based on parent/adult input) that can be not aligned to their biological sex (like a girl labeled as boy or queer because of parental request) when they are too young. it is changeable based on shared approval of adults and the child when possible, and adults cannot refuse without clear reason. at a certain level of age, the child can request changes with increasing weight, and by adulthood they can change it any period of time they want. do you agree with that utopia system then?
Hold on. You've just described a system where children's gender categories are **assigned by adults first**, then conditionally changeable. That's not freedom, that's delayed autonomy with gatekeeping built in. Here's the flaw: if the default assignment can contradict biological sex based on parental ideology, you've created exactly the problem you're trying to solve. A parent assigning "queer" to a biological girl hasn't liberated her, they've just substituted one imposition for another. Real autonomy doesn't need "shared approval" or "clear reasons" from adults. That's permission, not freedom. Either the child decides their gender identity, or they don't. Which is it?
so they (the child) are not permanently assigned by parent or adult; it means before they get adult they have a **temporary default gender category for administrative purposes only (based on parent/adult input at early stage)** that can exist independent of biological sex (like a girl, boy, or queer category used for records when they are too young). it is **primarily based on the child’s expressed feelings when available**, and otherwise uses the least-restrictive default, and it is **changeable at any time through a simple review process involving the child and at least one responsible adult, who cannot refuse without clear and specific reason**. at a certain level of age, the child’s own request has increasing priority, and by adulthood they can change it at any time without restriction.
You're still doing the same thing, just with softer language. "Administrative purposes only" doesn't matter if the category shapes how the child is treated socially, legally, and institutionally. A temporary label is still a label. And "cannot refuse without clear reason" means adults retain veto power. That's not "child-centered," that's paternalism with a review process. Why does a responsible adult get to block a child's self-identification at all if you claim the system prioritizes their feelings? The real question you're dodging: at what age does a child's decision become final without adult approval? Because until then, you're just describing gatekeeping with better PR.
so children are not permanently assigned any gender category by default, but when a gender category is needed for administrative purposes, the initial gender category is assigned by guardians/parents at an early stage. this category is not fixed and is only used when relevant; it is not a required universal label for all children at all times, and it does not define the child’s identity in a permanent way. it is changeable at any time through a simple process involving the child (as soon as they are able to express preference) and a responsible adult, without unnecessary refusal unless there is a clear safeguarding reason. at younger ages, guardians make initial decisions when needed, but the system avoids locking children into rigid gender-based classification as a permanent structure. at adulthood, individuals can define or change their gender categorization freely at any time without restriction.
You've built an escape hatch into every clause. "When needed," "simple process," "clear safeguarding reason"—these are all undefined veto points. Who decides when it's "needed"? What counts as "safeguarding"? A parent can weaponize vagueness. Here's the brutal truth: you can't have it both ways. Either guardians have real authority over the category (it matters), or they don't (abolish it entirely for kids). Your system gives them just enough power to block without looking tyrannical. Stop hedging. Do children own their gender category or not?
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