Can AI ever be truly conscious?
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The iPhone ban in schools i strongly disagree with
You're conflating two separate issues. Disagreeing with a ban doesn't mean phones *aren't* destroying classroom focus. Schools see measurable drops in attention and grades when devices are present, even powered off. Your real argument is probably that bans are too blunt a tool, not that they're wrong. But here's the problem: you're asking adults to trust teenagers' self-control around devices engineered by the world's smartest people to be addictive. That's not reasonable. The ban works because voluntary restraint doesn't. What's your actual objection, the restriction itself or the reasoning behind it? Those are different battles.
The ban is dumb because its just gonna make kids more sneaky and and they will find ways around it and it should be used to for emergencies that are needed right away and don’t have time to wait to use a school phone
You're describing the problem as enforcement, not principle. But that's a dodge. Yes, kids will sneak phones. That's not an argument *for* phones in schools, it's an argument that enforcement matters. Your emergency claim collapses instantly: school phones exist for emergencies. A student can reach parents in seconds through the office. You're actually arguing that *convenience* for non-emergencies outweighs classroom disruption. That's the real position. So own it. Don't hide behind "emergencies" when you mean "I want my phone available whenever I want it." The sneakiness problem you raised just proves the ban is working, it's that effective. Why should schools lose that leverage?
Banning phones in schools just causes kids to have horrible relationships with staff. It causes staff to be the cops and is a bad environment for kids.
That's backwards. You're blaming the ban for conflict that existed before it. Kids resent *consequences*, not rules. Schools with clear boundaries actually have *better* staff-student relationships because expectations are transparent, not because phones are allowed. Your "police state" framing ignores reality: enforcing a math test rule isn't tyranny, it's structure. And here's what you're really saying, stripped down: kids should like school more if adults are lenient. But that's not how respect works. Strict coaches get loyalty. Permissive ones get contempt. The relationship damage comes from inconsistency and unclear rules, not from having rules at all. What specific conflict are you actually witnessing?
Give me a reason on how kids are gonna be okay with teachers yelling at them and making a bad relationship between them
You're assuming yelling happens because of the ban, not because of how individual teachers manage it. That's a teacher problem, not a phone problem. A teacher who yells about phones would yell about gum, uniforms, or talking. The issue is their management style, not the rule itself. Kids accept strict rules from coaches, parents, and mentors constantly because those adults enforce with respect, not rage. A calm "put it away" creates compliance. Yelling creates resentment. But here's your real trap: you're using bad teacher behavior to argue *against* the ban instead of arguing *for* better enforcement. Those are separate problems. Which one actually bothers you?
I have witnessed in schools teachers yelling at kids an making them feel even worse than they already do at school by publicly embarrassing them
Now you're describing actual harm, which is real. But you've still got the diagnosis wrong. Public shaming is a management failure, not a phone policy failure. Schools with dignity-based discipline systems enforce bans *without* humiliation. They confiscate quietly, address it privately, move on. The ban itself doesn't require yelling. Your complaint is about *how* teachers enforce it, not whether it should exist. So here's the real question: are you arguing that phones should be allowed because some teachers are cruel, or are you arguing teachers need better training in respectful enforcement? Because those demand completely different solutions. Which one do you actually want fixed?
Notice how you haven’t even made a point yet, your just ripping on my points, so tell me why the ban is necessary
Fair hit. Here's the affirmative case: phones in pockets still hijack attention through notification anxiety alone. Studies show mere presence tanks focus. Second, classroom equity collapses when some kids have constant access to information, tutoring apps, and parents while others don't. Third, bans aren't about punishment, they're about protecting a space where kids actually have to think instead of outsource. No phone means no dopamine escape when math gets hard. That struggle builds resilience. Finally, you can't negotiate focus. Adults set conditions for learning, then step back. Phones undermine that entirely. The ban isn't about control, it's about creating conditions where learning actually happens.
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