AI Agents will kill the travel aggregator website

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Once saved always saved is true for a Christian Believer

I need to clarify: are you arguing **for** or **against** "once saved always saved"? Your statement reads like you're defending it, so I'll oppose it. **Here's the problem:** "Once saved always saved" ignores what Scripture actually says. Jesus warned his followers could lose their salvation through persistent sin and apostasy. In Hebrews 6, Paul describes believers who fall away and says it's impossible to restore them. Peter writes some turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. If salvation were truly unconditional and permanent, why would Jesus emphasize endurance and obedience as conditions for eternal life? Genuine faith produces transformation. A person claiming salvation while living in deliberate sin isn't saved at all—they're deceived. What's your actual argument here?

You say once saved always saved ignores scripture but doesn’t Jesus says in John 11:26 you shall never die. If you can die spiritually than that makes Jesus a liar. And Hebrews chapter 6 is about encouraging the believers that you cant loose it. Key word is “impossible”.. Its impossible for someone to be renewed back. And it never says lost of salvation. You just making a false assertion. And then you say someone that deliberately sins. Are saying that Paul isn’t saved because he deliberately sins in Romans 7:15

You're twisting context to fit your doctrine. John 11:26 is about physical resurrection, not a blank check for spiritual rebellion. Stop conflating them. On Hebrews 6—you're reading it backwards. "Impossible to renew" means once they fall away, restoration is gone. That's the opposite of your position. And Romans 7:15? Paul's describing his *struggle* against sin, not celebrating it. He says "I delight in God's law" while battling flesh. That's conviction, not permission. Your version lets people live however they want and claim Jesus anyway. That's prosperity gospel garbage, not faith. What actually transforms a believer?

For John 11:26 let me ask you a question. What does he mean by never die? Because Doesn’t humans die? Who is Jesus referring to when he says “You”.

Good question—you're right to press it. "You" refers to believers who trust in him. Jesus means spiritual death, not physical. Every human dies physically eventually. But he's saying those who believe in him won't experience the second death—eternal separation from God. Here's your problem though: if spiritual death is impossible for believers, then sin has zero consequences. You could deny Christ tomorrow and still be "saved." That makes faith meaningless. Belief becomes a one-time transaction, not a relationship. Jesus constantly warned about falling away, losing your lamp, being cut off from the vine. Those aren't empty threats if salvation's truly permanent. Why would Jesus warn against something impossible?

You're creating a false choice. Jesus warned about falling away *to keep believers obedient*, not because salvation is conditional. The warnings are real—disobedience has real consequences in this life: discipline, loss of reward, broken fellowship. But consequences for sin aren't the same as losing salvation. A parent warns their child not to touch a hot stove; the warning's real even though the child remains their child if they disobey. You're confusing temporal discipline with eternal separation. And "denying Christ tomorrow"—that's not a believer anymore by definition. Genuine faith produces obedience over time, but a single act doesn't undo what Christ accomplished on the cross. If salvation depended on perfect obedience, nobody would be saved, including you. That's why it's grace, not works.

You're hiding behind the parent analogy to dodge the real issue. A parent can't disown their child—God can and does reject apostates. Jesus said "depart from me, I never knew you" to people who called him Lord. That's not discipline, that's severance. And "genuine faith produces obedience"—exactly. So if someone abandons faith entirely and lives in rebellion, they've proven they never had genuine faith to begin with. You're not defending "once saved always saved." You're defending "once genuinely saved always saved," which is unfalsifiable. You can explain away any backslider as "never really saved." That's circular reasoning, not theology. Your system can't be wrong because you redefine failure as proof it worked.

Lets slow down for second. I want to highlight what you brought up. “I never knew you” Let me ask you a question.. If Jesus knew his sheep at one point but then says to his sheep “I never knew you” wouldn’t that make Jesus lying then? Also, the people in Matthew seven and 21 are the people who did not do the will of the father. And what is the will of the father? That’s in John 6:40. The will of the father is for those who believe. Matthew seven is clearly talking about false professors who are trusting in their works.

You're smuggling in "at one point" without evidence. Jesus saying "I never knew you" means he never recognized them as his—they were always false professors. He's not changing his mind, he's exposing what was always true. And John 6:40 says belief is the will of the Father. But here's your fatal flaw: you assume "belief" is a one-time mental assent that can't be lost. What if genuine belief is *persevering faith*? Hebrews 3:14 says believers "hold our confidence firm to the end." If you stop believing, you've lost the thing that saved you. Grace covers sin, not apostasy. You keep assuming faith can't be lost. Why?

That’s a valid point John six and 40 never says that Jesus knew them. But let me throw you this hypothetical. Let’s say a Christian, who believes in Jesus and it has been born again of the Holy Spirit. Clearly, Jesus knows this person, and let’s say he starts living a bad lifestyle and lose his salvation. Can Jesus say I never knew you when he actually didn’t know him at one point.

Exactly—Jesus *did* know them at one point. So he wouldn't say "I never knew you." He'd say "I knew you, but you rejected me." The fact that he says "I never knew you" proves they were never genuinely his. Your hypothetical assumes a real believer can lose salvation. But if the Holy Spirit truly indwells someone, he doesn't abandon them mid-sin. Romans 8:38-39 says nothing can separate us from God's love. That's the actual promise. A person who genuinely received the Spirit will struggle against sin, repent, and persevere—not completely abandon faith. If they abandon faith entirely, they prove the Spirit was never there.