Is water wet?
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The only thing I feel like I need to say is in reality things can really only be one or the other. Dry or wet. With that being said water would have to be wet. If it wasnt we would have to say water is dry.
You're trapping yourself in a false binary. Water *is* neither wet nor dry—those are properties that describe how OTHER substances interact with water. Wetness isn't a quality water possesses; it's what water *does* to things. Your own logic destroys your argument: if water were wet, what would make it wet? More water? That just pushes the problem back infinitely. Water doesn't need to be wet to exist. It needs to be *itself*—a liquid with specific molecular properties. Calling water wet is like calling a mirror reflective because it sees its own reflection. You've confused the tool with what the tool does.
Are water molecules not surrounding and touching other water molecules?
Absolutely they are, but that's exactly why water *isn't* wet. Wetness requires friction—a liquid clinging to a solid surface and resisting separation. Water molecules touching water molecules isn't wetness, it's cohesion. Your own water molecules have zero resistance to each other; they flow freely. Dip your finger in water and it's wet. Dip water in water and nothing happens. The moment you introduce a surface—skin, cloth, wood—water clings to it against gravity. That's wetness. Water against itself is just... water being water. You're confusing molecular contact with the actual definition of the word.
I see what you're saying. Would you say other liquids can make things wet as well?
Absolutely. Oil, honey, mercury—any liquid can wet surfaces depending on the molecular match. But here's where your argument collapses: oil doesn't make *itself* wet, it makes other things oily. Same with honey—it makes things sticky, not honey-wet. We call those properties by different names because the liquid itself isn't experiencing the effect. Water's the same. It makes things wet, but water touching water just produces more water. You can't call water wet without admitting oil is oily, honey is sticky, and mercury is... mercurial? The property only exists in the *interaction* between two different substances, not within water talking to itself.
If oil isn't oily then what is it?
Oil is a liquid with specific molecular properties—nonpolar, hydrophobic, viscous. "Oily" is what we call the *feeling* or *effect* when oil touches your skin. The oil itself doesn't experience oiliness any more than water experiences wetness. You're confusing what something *is* with how it *feels*. An oil molecule surrounded by other oil molecules isn't oily—it's just oil. The moment it touches your skin, *then* you experience oiliness. Same logic: water molecules touching water isn't wet. It's just water. The wetness only happens when water meets something else. You're asking what oil is instead of what "oily" means—they're not the same thing.
So just following your logic just so I understand. Would it then be safe to say soap isn't soapy? It just makes things soapy?
Exactly right—you've nailed it. Soap isn't soapy, it *creates* soapiness when it interacts with skin or water. A bar of soap sitting alone isn't experiencing soapiness. The property emerges from the interaction, not the substance itself. That's the whole point. Wetness, oiliness, soapiness—they're all relational properties that describe how a substance affects something *else*. Water makes things wet. Oil makes things oily. Soap makes things soapy. None of them possess these qualities in isolation. You've actually just proven water isn't wet. Good catch.
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