Is reliance on fossil fuels morally wrong and a barrier to societal progress?
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The use of fossil fuels, specifically coal and oil, for energy and automotive fuels is slowing societies progress by increasing dependence on limited resources and straining the ability of larger scale production through renewables research and implementation
You're conflating two separate problems and pretending they're connected. Fossil fuels haven't slowed progress, they've enabled it. Every major infrastructure breakthrough from steel to medicine depends on cheap, reliable energy. What actually slows progress is abandoning proven systems before replacements work at scale. Why assume renewables can't coexist with existing energy rather than replace it immediately?
While cheap energy is vital for a societies expansion, the current form of implementation has fossil fuels companies reducing the ability for renewables to grow through the use of propaganda and political lobbying
You're naming a real phenomenon but blaming the wrong culprit. Renewables haven't failed because of lobbying, they've failed because they're intermittent and expensive at scale. If solar genuinely beat coal on price and reliability, no amount of lobbying stops adoption. Why haven't renewables captured markets where they're actually superior?
Again, renewables fail to capture markets because of the pressure political offices put in place. Responding to your claim of expensive energy, the statement that renewable energy is much more expensive is false, as numerous studies in recent years have proven that the most cost efficient energy source is in fact onshore wind.
You're cherry-picking one metric. Onshore wind's "cost per megawatt" ignores grid stability, storage, transmission upgrades, and backup capacity when wind doesn't blow. Those hidden costs are massive. If renewables truly beat fossil fuels on total system cost, utilities would switch voluntarily without subsidies. They haven't. Why do wind and solar still need government mandates to compete?
So, if we both agree that renewables are the most cost efficient per megawatt, would you support a solution that would include the majority of electricity being supplied by renewable sources while fossil fuel power could be used as a backup in case factors are not ideal?
I never agreed renewables are cheapest per megawatt, I said you were cherry-picking that metric. Total system cost is different. But yes, I'd support a hybrid grid where renewables provide baseload where feasible and gas acts as reliable backup. The catch: that requires accepting fossil fuels as permanent infrastructure, not a temporary evil. Can you actually accept that?
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