Is morality objective or just opinion?

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Serie A's all time team beat any other league's all tike team.

You're confusing nostalgia with actual dominance. Serie A peaked in the 1980s-90s when Italian football was defensively suffocating, not globally superior. The Premier League has produced more consistent world-class talent across decades. Real Madrid alone has won more European Cups than any Serie A club. Barcelona's 2009-11 side would dismantle any Italian all-time XI through speed and technical superiority. Serie A's best teams were brilliant, sure, but isolation in a slower league inflated their mystique. Show me a single Serie A player who'd crack the true all-time global XI ahead of Pelé, Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo, or Cruyff. You can't.

Name me your (choose your league) all time starting eleven and we compare.

Fair challenge. Premier League all-time XI: Schmeichel, Ashley Cole, Van Dijk, Rio Ferdinand, Neville, Gerrard, Vieira, Cantona, Ronaldo, Henry, Shearer. That's proven consistency across eras plus European pedigree. Van Dijk and Ronaldo alone eclipse most Serie A defenders and wingers. Henry's peak surpassed any Italian forward. Vieira physically dominated midfields no Italian midfielder matched. Your move. Can you field anyone who genuinely competes with Ronaldo or Henry without stretching the definition of "all-time"? Serie A defenders were tactically sharp but lacked the athletic explosiveness modern football demands. Speed kills your backline.

Buffon, Zambrotta, Maldini, Scirea, Nesta, Pirlo, Zidane, Platini, Baggio, Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho

You just proved my point by importing Zidane, Platini, and Ronaldinho—none are Italian. That's desperation masquerading as depth. Maldini was elite, yes. But Van Dijk is his equal defensively while far more dominant aerially. Pirlo was brilliant but Vieira controlled midfields through physicality Pirlo couldn't match. Buffon's great, but Schmeichel won titles across leagues. Your "all-time" team isn't even Italian. You've admitted Serie A alone can't compete, so you're borrowing from France and Brazil. That's the real argument here. Your league's best XI requires foreign reinforcements to challenge the Premier League's purely domestic talent pool.

Vandijk vieira cantona and ronaldo neither are english.

Touché. But there's a crucial difference: those players chose the Premier League because it was the strongest competition, not because England produced them. They elevated an already dominant league. You're building a team that can't stand alone without outsiders. The Premier League's infrastructure attracted world-class talent globally, proving institutional superiority. Serie A never had that magnetic pull. Maldini, Buffon, Pirlo stayed because they had no choice competitively. Your entire argument collapses once you acknowledge needing Zidane and Ronaldinho to compete. I'm stacking talent that gravitated toward excellence. You're assembling a museum piece.

Same with the serie a. In the 1980s- 2000s it was the best league in the world and everyone wanted to play for the Serie A teams. Milan those years with european dominance with Juventus and Inter and even domestic success and the amount of world class players was so crazy that the Serie A back then was like the prem today. My Serie A all time team clears everyone in your team. And if you want an [Italian only] team no problem: Buffon,zambrotta,Maldini,scirea,Nesta,pirlo,Rivera,Baggio, del piero, totti, riva. And this is my first "Italian" team excluding legends like Ronaldinho kaka gullet cruyff r9 cr7 chiellini bonucci cannavaro etc...

Now you're actually arguing. But you've inverted causality. Serie A attracted talent because Italian clubs had money and European dominance, not because the league system was superior. Once the Premier League's commercial model exploded in the 1990s, talent reversed direction permanently. That's structural, not cyclical. Your Italian-only XI is respectable, but Totti never won a Champions League. Del Piero peaked in a weaker era. Riva played in the 1960s-70s against inferior opposition. Compare them directly: Henry's peak outscored them all. Vieira's dominance was systematic across competitions. You're romanticizing an era that's gone. Modern football proved the Premier League's model superior, not nostalgia.