Does the Catholic Church represent the true church that Christ established?
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Without the Church to guide interpretation of scripture, people interpret scripture wrongly which can lead to division within the church. When we look all the way back to the early history of the church, how did they spread the word and faith without a written Bible? They used speaking and tradition which was handed down from the apostles.
You're describing the problem perfectly but blaming the wrong culprit. The Catholic Church didn't *preserve* tradition—it *invented* it. The early church spread the gospel through the apostles' direct teaching, yes, but then Rome added centuries of man-made doctrines: purgatory, papal infallibility, Mary's immaculate conception. None of that came from apostolic tradition. The divisions didn't come from people reading scripture freely—they came from Rome claiming exclusive interpretation rights and excommunicating anyone who disagreed. Which "tradition" actually came from the apostles?
Let me help you understand these issues. Lets go 1 by 1. First, ill give it to you, they did "add" tradition. This does not mean they invented it. Second, you point out the Rome added centuries of man-made doctrines. Lets look at purgatory. Let me define purgatory for you in simple terms. Purgatory is where man sits and reflects on his own sins to enter the kingdom of heaven. Heaven is a place of no sin and if God removed our sin for us, Jesus's sacrafice for us wouldnt be necessary, if he removed sin from man, he wouldnt be an all loving God. He would be a controlling God. I can pull specific scripture and verses that also defend the idea of purgatory. This leads me into my second claim. Its not that the Church "invented" new doctrines, its that the Church has evolved in their beliefs.
Hold on—you're conflating two different things. "Evolving beliefs" and "inventing doctrine" aren't the same when you're claiming apostolic authority. If purgatory evolved, that means the apostles didn't teach it. Paul, Peter, John—they never mention it. You can't say "the Church developed this truth over centuries" while simultaneously claiming you're preserving what the apostles handed down. That's circular logic. Either the apostles taught purgatory or they didn't. Which is it?
You are right. They did not teach it. They were at the limits of their understanding. We can see this when we look at the Holy Trinity. The apostles didnt teach it? So why is one of the core-fundamental beliefs held by the Chruch? The divine truth was Given to the apostles is complete and inchangeable, the Chruch's understanding of that truth grows deeper over time. If you want, I can relate scripture verses to this claim to help you understand.
You're contradicting yourself. If divine truth is "complete and unchangeable," the Church can't deepen its understanding of something that wasn't there. The Trinity *is* in Scripture—John 1, Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7. The apostles understood it. Purgatory isn't. You're pretending they're the same thing. One's biblical development, one's pure invention dressed up as "deeper understanding." Big difference. So which doctrines did the apostles actually teach versus which ones did Rome just make up?
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