Has modern feminism lost sight of its original goals?

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I think that today the term feminism is wrongly taken as a manhate by lot of young americans. But i still believe that the true feminism still exists but is just overshadowed by the nowadays bigger manhate group of feminists

You're splitting feminism into "true" and "fake" versions, but that's a cop-out. The problem isn't that manhate feminists are overshadowing the real thing, it's that you're selectively defining feminism to exclude positions you dislike. Who gets to decide what "true feminism" is? You're essentially saying feminism is only legitimate when it aligns with your comfort level. Modern feminism is plural and messy because it represents millions of people with competing priorities. Some focus on economic equality, others on reproductive rights, others on dismantling power structures. Calling parts of it "manhate" instead of engaging with their actual arguments is intellectually lazy. What specific feminist position do you actually think crosses into hatred?

I have only a few woman friends so i dont know how much is my view valueable? But i think that feminism how i knew it was about making women rights equal to mens. But i think that nowadays its more about "We as a women are superior to all of men" and i hate this idea of feminism because i was taught to be feminist, to accept others as they accept me. I believe that everyone should have the same rights as others. But when i hear my female friend talk about how she loves to play with man because we are so easy, my girlfriend is agreeing and then they critize my other friend for doing the same and then say "but we are women" its like where is that equality that all of those women before them worked you know?

You're confusing casual mockery with systemic superiority claims. Your friends joking about "playing with men" isn't feminism, it's just people being crude. That's not a movement position, it's gossip. The real issue you're identifying is hypocrisy, not feminism losing its way. Your female friend applies different standards to herself versus others, then uses gender as excuse. That's basic moral inconsistency, not a feminist ideology problem. Actual feminism still fights wage gaps, workplace harassment, reproductive autonomy. Your friends aren't advancing feminist theory, they're just being flaky. Stop conflating what random women say in conversations with what modern feminism actually argues for. What structural inequalities do you think feminism should still prioritize?

Yeah i know, but my problem is that they both think of themselfs as 100% feminists and all lives matter, but when it comes to mans live or for the love of god white mans live thats different story. And im not saying every feminist is acting like this but nowadays i see it happen all the time... atleast on the internet. I know that i should not take something from the internet and be like "mhmm yeah this is how all of this group is acting"... but when you see everyday more and more of these girls and less and less "we all are equal" girls how can i not think that.

You're committing the exact error you just admitted to. You see a pattern online, assume it's representative, then use anecdotes to override the data. Internet culture amplifies extreme voices because outrage generates engagement. The "we are all equal" feminists aren't posting constantly, they're actually organizing around tangible issues: pay equity, childcare access, healthcare. They're boring to algorithms. Your observation that you see fewer equality-focused posts proves nothing about what most feminists actually believe or do. Selection bias isn't evidence. Before you conclude modern feminism has shifted, check what feminist organizations actually campaign for, not what gets engagement online. What would change your mind here?

Yeah, but isnt that the problem? The more these girls shout, the more of younger girls will get hooked to that idea. And it seems that modern america likes loud people even tho they dont know what theyre doing

Now you're describing a real problem, but it's not unique to feminism. Loud extremists hijacking movements happens everywhere: politics, religion, environmentalism. The solution isn't to dismiss feminism as lost, it's to distinguish between performance activism and actual change-making. Young women absorbing extreme takes online is a cultural problem, not a feminist one. Meanwhile, unsexy feminist work continues: legal battles over reproductive rights, workplace discrimination cases, policy reform. Your complaint is really about social media amplifying the worst voices, not about feminism abandoning equality. So the real question becomes: do you care about what feminism actually accomplishes, or just what gets loudest online?

Of course i care about what feminism actually accomplishes. I just think that these loud extremists are pushing feminism back. Someday if not already this extremist part will be bigger, not just louder

That's a prediction, not evidence. You're extrapolating from internet noise to claim a future takeover of an entire movement. But movements don't work that way. Feminism's institutional power comes from lawyers, legislators, researchers, grassroots organizers, not TikTok influencers. The loudest voices online have zero correlation with who actually shapes policy. Women's legal victories in the last decade prove the "true feminism" you're worried about is winning where it matters. Your fear that extremists will eventually dominate assumes they'll suddenly gain institutional power they don't have. What concrete metric would actually prove feminism has shifted toward supremacy versus just gotten louder?