Are there questions science can never answer?
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One cannot obtain diversity in a community; who are you to say that you are diverse if you follow the same principles as others in a group? In the end, you are the sheep and the concepts of which you follow the shepherd. A slave to the idea of being unique, just because the community is different doesnt mean you are.
You've confabulated two completely different things. Diversity describes *group composition*, not individual uniqueness. A diverse community has people with different backgrounds, beliefs, and values. Whether you personally feel unique is irrelevant to whether the group itself is diverse. Your argument proves nothing except that you've conflated a collective property with an individual one. A room full of people from different countries is diverse even if each person conforms to their own culture's norms. The sheep metaphor fails because it assumes conformity destroys diversity, when diversity is simply the *presence of difference*. Can you actually distinguish between group-level and individual-level properties, or are you just stringing together cynical observations?
Incorrect, communities flaunt the idea of diversity everywhere, stating that they are unique not because of demographics or because of their past/background but rather because of what they **are**. For example, the furry community always says it is diverse, not because of skin color but because of its ideologies. Perhaps you misunderstood me; I am not referring to the individual's physical features or background. One cannot find diversity in a community because they all follow the same factors; an individual cannot find diversity in their ideologies because they all share the same ideals. You may insinuate that what I say are cynical observations, but can you disprove that what I say is wrong, now that I corrected you?
You're still equivocating. The furry community *is* diverse in ideology, even if members share a core interest. Some are anarchists, others conservatives. Some embrace sexuality openly, others don't. Some value artistic expression above all, others prioritize social connection. These are genuine ideological differences, not conformity. Your claim requires that shared membership in a group means zero ideological variation, which is empirically false. Show me a community where *every single member* holds identical positions on politics, sexuality, ethics, and aesthetics. You can't, because they don't exist. Communities aren't monoliths just because they cohere around something. That's the flaw you haven't addressed.
Not of, they are not diverse in ideology, they may have different views but in the end they are all have the same beliefs and share the same concepts. In a recent study in 2022 by Furscience, the data shows that the **Majority** about 96% of the community, share some sort of identical ideals. I can and I will show you The Harmony Commune which all share the same ideals, follow the same structure, and all share the same lifestyle. In fact just by the mere suggestion that one exists impies that many if not all can follow the same phenomena. Communities are places to be free yet be trapped at the same time. You try to disprove my claims with mere more claims, where is your evidence? Thats the flaw YOU havent addressed.
You're conflating statistical majority with absence of diversity. Ninety-six percent sharing *some* ideals still leaves four percent differing, plus infinite gradations within that ninety-six percent on specifics. One commune proves intentional uniformity is *possible*, not that all communities operate that way. The furry fandom isn't structured like The Harmony Commune. You're cherry-picking an outlier and generalizing wildly. Demanding I cite sources while throwing around an unverified "Furscience study" is transparent. Either show the actual study with methodology, or admit you're making this up. Your argument collapses the moment you distinguish between "majority agreement on core values" and "zero ideological diversity." Which is your real claim?
Who are we to call ourselves human, if we ourselves have become the very monsters in the stories we create?
You're romanticizing moral decay as philosophical inevitability. That's exactly backwards. Creating monsters proves the opposite, we can recognize evil because we've developed ethical frameworks that transcend it. The ability to judge ourselves harshly, to see our flaws reflected in fiction, demonstrates we haven't become monsters at all. Monsters lack self-awareness. They don't agonize over their nature. You're using poetic language to avoid the harder truth, we're the species that questions whether we're monsters, which is precisely what separates us from them. So, what specific behavior convinced you we've crossed into monstrosity rather than just acknowledged our capacity for it?
We have conquered, we have burned villages, cities, even countries, and we have committed monstrosities throughout the ages. We have slaughtered animals to extinction. We murder our own, even as we have a moral compass. There are psychopaths, sociopaths, etc. There are many more things to list. Some do question if we're monsters, but not all. Stories were meant not to primarily judge ourselves, but rather to take away from the fact that the monsters we create reflect us internally.
You're conflating capacity for evil with essence. Yes, humans commit atrocities, but that's precisely why we invented morality, law, and shame. Psychopaths exist in tiny percentages, yet you treat them as representative. Most humans actively resist their worst impulses daily. The very fact that we created stories *about* monsters means we distinguish ourselves from them. A truly monstrous species wouldn't need cautionary tales. We'd just be the tale. Your argument proves the opposite, we're the only animal that tortures itself over its own brutality. That self-loathing, that moral wrestling, that's the most human thing we do. Isn't constant guilt evidence we're fighting monstrosity, not succumbing to it?
The same laws and morals we break. Sure, they may be in tiny percentages, but we as a majority are desensitized to death, so what makes us much different from psychopaths? We joke about people's deaths and mock suicides; you see it everywhere globally. Not just the internet, but even people you meet will most likely joke about someone's death. No, we created stories about monsters to get away from the fact that we reflect what they are. You may be right, we aren't truly as a whole monstrous, I will agree. Though everyone has a dark side to them. No, we as individuals punish ourselves for others' brutalities. Do you think Hitler regretted his actions? But we regret them. Though I will agree that some of us do as you say and torture ourselves over our faults. Yet we still commit monstrous actions even though we see our flaws, we say we are self-loathing and self-righteous as to say we are wrestling with morality, but then we turn around and do the exact same thing we say makes a bad species.
You've just admitted the core collapse of your argument. You concede we're not monstrously as a whole, then contradict yourself by saying everyone does monstrous things anyway. Which is it? Desensitization to distant death isn't psychopathy, it's cognitive overload. We joke about tragedy to survive it, not embrace it. And here's your real problem, you're holding humanity to a standard no finite creature can meet, perfect alignment between belief and action. That's not monstrosity, that's being human. Hitler didn't regret anything, we do. That gap is everything. You're confusing "flawed" with "monstrous." They're not the same. Why do you need us to be monsters instead of just accepting we're ambitious creatures who sometimes fail our own values?
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