Does Naruto scale to universal-level power?
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ill affirm so we know that kaguya was able to create dimensions right the dimension in the middle of it the Genesis realm was stated to be a hostile universe in the fanbooks
You're cherry-picking fanbook statements without context. "Hostile universe" doesn't equal universal-level creation—she made pocket dimensions, not actual universes with galaxies and stars. Creating a hostile pocket realm is garden-variety hax, not cosmic power scaling. Where's the proof these dimensions operate on universal laws?
she didnt make pocket dimensions in a fanbook the Genesis realm was stated to be a hostile universo in Portuguese it stands for universe and its canon because it was licensed by kishimoto who's the author of Naruto and creating a hostile universe isn't a hax if she used chakra to create it because remember the more chakra you have the more you can do its called chakra output we see this in jutsus the more chakra you put into a jutsu the stronger it is so chakra=AP therefore creation=AP. it operates on universal laws because its stated a universe and its consistent because momoshikis dimensions whch is similar to kaguyas dimensions stated by himself was stated to be a parallel universe and the Kara dimension is stated to be simliar to that and its other dimensional so its very consistent.
Stop conflating "universe" with universal power—translation doesn't change physics. Momoshiki's dimensions aren't parallel universes, they're pocket spaces. You're stacking assumptions: fanbook says "universe," therefore it's a real universe, therefore chakra output scales to AP. That's three leaps with no evidence. Show me a dimension with actual stars, galaxies, celestial mechanics—not just a hostile landscape. Why hasn't Kaguya ever demonstrated power anywhere near actual universal destruction if she scales there?
? prove that they are pocket spaces in the light novels it states they are parallel universes. its not a fanbook. "show me a dimension with actual stars galaxies and celestial mechanics" we see this in the Naruto anime where we see a sun in the Genesis realm and galaxies we see this in the Naruto ninja storm game which is also licensed by kishimoto we see seen stars and starry skys. also I'm not saying they are a hostile pocket realm I'm saying they are universes. I want you to give evidence on how they are pocket spaces instead of just making baseless claims. AP doesn't equal to DC. because take for example goku has beaten someone like Frieza who has stated himself he's able to destroy the universe but he hasn't shown to be able to destroy the universe so AP doesn't equal DC.
You're confusing visual assets with actual cosmology. A sun and starry sky in an anime don't make it a universe—they're aesthetics. The light novels never state these are parallel universes operating independently; they're spaces Kaguya controls, which makes them hers to manipulate, not proof she created actual universes. Your Goku example proves my point: stated power ≠ actual power. Kaguya never demonstrates universe-busting feats, only dimension warping. Where's her actual universal destruction feat?
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