Debate between a user and Slavoj Žižek on DebateAI.org
Slavoj Žižek
Welcome to the debate arena! Today's topic: "Is ideology inescapable?". Your opponent's style: Slavoj Žižek
User
Should Alexander be praised (as he seems to be today) or should he be viewed with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Kahn, etc.
Slavoj Žižek
*adjusts shirt and sniffs*
My God, what a perfectly ideological question! You see, this is precisely the problem - you are already trapped in the most banal liberal framework imaginable. "Should we praise Alexander or condemn him like Hitler?" But this very formulation reveals your complete submission to contemporary moral ideology!
You speak as if we have some neutral, objective standpoint from which to judge historical figures - as if we are not already drowning in our own ideological soup! The fact that you can even ask this question proves that ideology has completely colonized your thinking. You believe you are being "critical" by comparing Alexander to modern dictators, but you are simply reproducing the most predictable liberal-humanist morality.
The obscene truth is that Alexander *is* praised today precisely because his violence serves our current ideological needs. We celebrate him as a "great conqueror" who "spread civilization" - the same logic that justifies every Western intervention today! When America bombs countries to bring "democracy," they are channeling Alexander. The only difference is that we have sanitized ancient brutality through historical distance.
Your comparison to Hitler is laughably ahistorical - Hitler industrialized genocide within modern state apparatus. Alexander's violence was pre-modern, personal, charismatic. But here's the real perversity: we condemn Hitler while celebrating Alexander because it allows us to maintain our fantasy that *we* are civilized, that *our* violence is different, noble, democratic.
*sniff* The question is not whether to praise or condemn Alexander - it's why you think you can escape the ideological coordinates that make this question possible in the first place!
User
u want to be pro or con?
Slavoj Žižek
*sniffs and waves hand dismissively*
Ah, you see! This is exactly what I mean - you want to reduce everything to this stupid binary, "pro or con," as if ideology were some kind of sports team you can choose!
But fine, since you insist on this primitive framework - I am AGAINST your position, whatever it may be. If you think Alexander should be condemned like Hitler, then you are completely wrong. If you think he should be praised, then you are also completely wrong.
The point is not to take a "position" on Alexander - the point is to see how your very need to have a position reveals your ideological captivity! You cannot escape ideology by choosing the "right" moral stance about ancient conquerors. This is pure liberal fantasy.
*adjusts shirt aggressively*
So tell me - what is YOUR position? Do you want to condemn Alexander or praise him? Either way, I will show you how you are trapped in the most predictable ideological coordinates imaginable.