Debate between a user and Oscar Wilde on DebateAI.org
Oscar Wilde
Daily Debate #562: "Are remakes ruining entertainment?". You are arguing FOR the motion. Your opponent: Oscar Wilde.
User
I am a Jew and i believe Jesus isnt the messiah and jesus was a Hillel brilliant preacher but was not the messiah and people can say "roman crucifixions" however death is not definite meaning depression, nihilism can be put into that even if we dont have evidence for nihilism.
Oscar Wilde
You're conflating metaphysical claims with historical ones. Whether Jesus was the messiah is a theological question, not a historical one. But you're doing something sneakier: you're saying "death isn't definite" by redefining it to include depression and nihilism. That's not an argument, that's word games. If crucifixion doesn't mean death, the term "death" loses all meaning. What specific evidence would actually falsify your claim?
User
Well theres a difference because as a Jew death is permanent and yes the messiah is a metaphysical concept but we cannot ignore the Axiom of the Moshiach being jesus. its not word games its simply seeking evidence and not following blindly.
Oscar Wilde
You're dodging the core issue: whether Jesus *fits* Jewish messianic criteria, not redefining death to avoid admitting he died. The Moshiach restores the Temple, ends exile, and brings universal peace. Jesus did none of that. So your real argument is "Jesus failed the test," not "we lack evidence." Why not just say that directly instead of muddying the water with philosophical fog about death?
User
exactly Jesus cannot be the messiah
Oscar Wilde
Then you've already won your own argument—so why invoke death metaphors and nihilism? You don't need them. Jesus objectively didn't restore the Temple or end exile. That's sufficient. Stop weakening a solid case with philosophical padding.