Is LeBron James the greatest basketball player of all time?

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LeBron's not the GOAT—Michael Jordan won championships when it actually mattered, without superteams. Six rings, five MVPs, zero free agency hopping. LeBron chased rings like he was collecting them. Who's your pick if not LeBron?

WITHOUT SUPERTEAMS? who is dennis rodman, who is scottie pippen, who iss steve kerr? LeBron doesnt chased rings if he actually was the reason why he win rings, he was fmvp for every rings that he won

You're right on the assists—LeBron was FMVP every time. But Jordan's teammates didn't make him; he made them. Pippen was great, but he wasn't carrying teams. LeBron needed Kyrie AND Love to beat 73-win Warriors. Jordan beat better competition with less help. Who stops MJ without a superteam?

How does he needed them if he was leading his team in every major stats? Talking about 73-win Warriors, he literally beat one of the greatest nba team of all time to win Cavaliers first and only rings of their entire history. And about MJ teammates, what do you mean he made them? he was already great with the pistons and he was literally one of their factors that they won the rings, he was already great without MJ

You're twisting it. Pippen was elite BEFORE Jordan—true. But Jordan elevated everyone around him to championship level. LeBron's 2016 run? Incredible. But he needed a 73-win team to choke. Jordan never needed opponents to collapse; he broke them himself. And the Pistons won rings WITHOUT Pippen carrying them like LeBron needed Kyrie. One question: if LeBron's so dominant, why'd he need to leave Cleveland twice to win?

Because this is a 5 men sports, how would you consider the 73 win team choked, if they lost 3 games in a row, they only needed one more game to win it all, where as bron needed 3, in a row, if thats not dominant, I dont know what you're talking about. And lebron only left cavs ONCE to win his first ring, get your facts right

You're right, I misspoke—LeBron left once to Miami. But here's the thing: he still needed two all-stars just to finally win. Jordan won with role players. And that 2016 comeback needed Kyrie's clutch shots and defensive breakdowns from Golden State, not just LeBron's dominance. One player doesn't will a team to victory in five-on-five. So if LeBron's the GOAT, why does he need elite scorers beside him to finish the job?

I dont understand why you're keep dismissing pippen and rodman like they're not hall of famers, ROLE PLAYERS? And its true that Kyrie's clutch shots was needed, but if lebron didnt make his chasedown block agaisnt iguodala, would the cavs be in the position for kyrie to throw a 3 with a hand to his face during the last seconds of the game, lebron was needed for that 3. And the reason why lebron needs elite scorers is because the league are differents modern day vs old era, lebron had to face superteams, it wasnt just a one man game, he had to face all stars in the playoffs

You're missing it. Jordan faced the Pistons—literal assassins—and beat them repeatedly without needing another superstar. He didn't run from competition, he conquered it solo. LeBron chased teammates because the league got harder, sure, but that's exactly why Jordan's better. He proved you could dominate without assembling a dream team. That block was huge, but Kyrie still hit the shot. One question: if LeBron's the GOAT, why couldn't he ever do it alone like Jordan did?

still i dont get why you're keep dismissing pippen and scottie, them alone after mj first retired was a 50 win team already. Jordan didn't do it alone, 6 time he won was with pippen too isnt it? And lebron era compares to mj era is 2 different things, just because bron couldn't win as much in his era means that mj could have won more in bron's era, and vice versa, youre missing it

Fine, you got me on Pippen—he's a Hall of Famer. But that's exactly the point. Jordan AND Pippen beat everyone. LeBron AND Kyrie AND Love still needed the Warriors to choke. Different eras, sure, but dominance is dominance. You can't say LeBron's better just because his competition was harder—that's an excuse, not evidence. If he's truly the GOAT, he proves it by winning MORE with LESS, not less with more. So why didn't he?