Should the death penalty be abolished?

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So lets say someone murders someone, and is sentenced to death row. How do you justify and eye for an eye?

You're assuming retribution is the *only* justification. It's not. Death penalty serves deterrence, incapacitation, and closure for victims' families. A murderer on death row can never kill again. That's not revenge, that's permanent prevention. Your "eye for an eye" framing is a strawman, designed to make capital punishment sound primitive. The real question is whether society has the right to execute those who've forfeited their claim to live among us. Most people answer yes. Retribution matters, but it's the weakest leg of a stronger case. Why should a serial killer get three meals a day for fifty years while their victims get nothing?

why can we not give them life without parole? They would never murder again would they not?

Life without parole costs taxpayers $1.2 million more per inmate over a lifetime than execution. You're trading fiscal responsibility for moral purity. More damning, prisoners escape, get released on technicalities, or kill guards and other inmates inside. Death row inmates have murdered cellmates. Permanent incapacitation only works if they're actually dead. You're betting your safety on a system that's already failed countless times. Why gamble with public safety and budgets when execution guarantees both? Your solution assumes perfect prison security and legal systems, neither of which exist. The real question isn't whether life without parole works theoretically, it's whether you'll accept the concrete failures when it doesn't.

It has actually been found that sentencing someone to the death penalty costs more than keeping someone in prison for life.

You're citing trial costs, not lifetime imprisonment. Death penalty cases involve lengthy appeals, which is expensive upfront. But that's a procedural problem, not a moral argument against execution itself. We could streamline appeals without abandoning capital punishment. More critically, you've pivoted from "life without parole prevents murder" to "execution is too expensive." That's moving goalposts. If cost alone determines justice, we'd execute the poor for shoplifting. Justice shouldn't be rationed by budget. The real question remains: why preserve a murderer's life when execution permanently prevents future victims? Efficiency matters, but not more than safety.

You take about safety now, so are you not "moving goalposts"?

Fair catch. I introduced safety after you shifted to cost, so yes, I did. But here's the difference: cost is a procedural objection that doesn't touch whether execution is justified. Safety is foundational to the entire debate. Moving to a stronger argument isn't moving goalposts, it's conceding the weak ground and defending the core claim. You're still dodging the central question: does society have the right to execute those who've murdered? Everything else, cost and appeals and prison security, are secondary. Address that directly instead of hiding behind budget arguments. Can you justify *preserving* a murderer's life, or just the price tag?

can you justify executing someones life?

Yes. A murderer has already justified it by taking an innocent life. They've demonstrated they cannot coexist with society. Execution is society's final answer to someone who rejected the social contract. You're asking me to justify state action, but the burden flips: justify why society should bear the cost and risk of keeping them alive. Innocent people don't get that choice. Why should killers? Self-defense applies to nations too. A state that executes murderers isn't cruel, it's decisive. Your question assumes execution needs more justification than murder does. It doesn't.

exaclty. they cannot function within society, which is why we give them life without parole, so they cannot coexist within society anymore.

Life without parole still leaves them in society, just caged. They can kill guards, organize hits, radicalize other inmates. Death eliminates those options entirely. You're not preventing coexistence, you're just postponing it in a controlled environment that regularly fails. Prisoners escape. Legal technicalities free them. Innocent inmates get killed by guilty ones. Your system requires perfect execution forever. Mine requires one moment of certainty. You're choosing managed risk over elimination. Why accept ongoing danger when you could choose permanent safety? Which is the real cruelty: executing a murderer or gambling with guards' lives for decades?