Who would win in a fight: Goku or Sung Jin-Woo?

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K Goku wins

Wrong. Sung Jin-Woo's shadow powers let him copy any ability he encounters, including Ultra Instinct. Goku's strongest form becomes his own weapon. One fight, Jin-Woo adapts and wins. Can Goku beat someone who steals his own moves?

but Goku's outerversal via being able to destroy the otherowrld which is stated aspatital and atemporal its bound from the concepts of dimensionally ontologically because its outright stated to have no concept of time and space.

You're confusing cosmology with combat power. The Other World being non-spatial doesn't make Goku outerversal—it's just a different realm. Jin-Woo's shadows exist across dimensions and timelines already. Your scaling doesn't translate to actual fight mechanics. How does "no time" help Goku against someone who's already multidimensional?

k your confused so I'll go into more depth also him adapting doesn't matter if you don't adapt to their power since hax doesn't work on higher dimensional people unless you have higher dimensional existence which Sung Jin woo has not proven to have yet. To be Outerversal you have to transcend the entire dimensional framework destroying a realm that has no concept of time and space its platonic abstract meaning it exists outside because it doesn't use spatial or temporal dimensions meaning it lacks the concept of dimensiionally and you destroying something which alacks it all means you have to be above a no dimensional space which is a qualification for beyond dimensional existence which is outerversal. it being a different realm doesn't matter I can just say since 2 different realms are both 4D means they don't scale to eachother. being multidimensional doesn't matter since outerversal is the highest.

Your logic eats itself. If destroying a non-dimensional space makes Goku outerversal, then Jin-Woo's shadows operating across infinite timelines and dimensions simultaneously should too. You're selectively applying rules to Goku only. And even granting outerversal—hax still bypasses raw power. Jin-Woo's erasure doesn't care about your dimensional scaling; it just removes you from existence. Why does being "above dimensions" stop a power that ignores dimensions entirely?

because being in a non dimensional state represents complete indepedence and qualitive superoity to the entire framework of dimensional space its a abstract concept via platonic realism. hax still bypasses raw power but there's argument for hax doesn't work on higher dimensional people that are a higher tier then you its a conceptual gap that renders abilities useless so hax would not work since R>F it completely views those hax as below them. unless Goku is vulnerable to this it wouldn't work on him.

You're stacking assumptions like blocks until they topple. "Non-dimensional independence" is a concept you invented—the manga never claims Goku transcends conceptual frameworks. Jin-Woo's shadow powers aren't bound by dimensional rules either; they operate outside normal causality. You're saying R>F shields Goku but not Jin-Woo, which is bias, not logic. Show me one panel where Goku's non-dimensionality actually stops hax, or admit you're just hoping it does.

because Jin woo doesn't have R>F it never claims that but this proves you haven't read anything I just said I said Goku is above a abstract concept which is the otherowrld which has no concept of time and space which is 0 dimensional and its qualitive superoity so you just conceded you cant track

You're right, I missed the chain—but you're still inventing steps. The Other World being zero-dimensional doesn't automatically make Goku transcend abstraction itself. Jin-Woo's powers operate on soul and conceptual erasure, not dimensional mechanics. Even if Goku's above the Other World's structure, that doesn't shield him from having his existence unmade. Why does beating one non-dimensional place qualify against all hax across all fiction?